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		<title>Please, Not Another Wiki</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casey Bisson</dc:creator>
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Ironic secret: I don&#8217;t really like most wikis, though that&#8217;s probably putting it too strongly. Ironic because I love both Wikipedia (and, especially, collabularies), but I grit my teeth pretty much every time I hear somebody suggest we need another wiki.
Putting it tersely: if wikis are so great, why do we need more than one [...]]]></description>
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<p>Ironic secret: I don&#8217;t really like most wikis, though that&#8217;s probably putting it too strongly. Ironic because I love both <a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10609/">Wikipedia</a> (and, especially, <a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11196/">collabularies</a>), but I grit my teeth pretty much every time I hear somebody suggest we need another wiki.</p>
<p>Putting it tersely: if wikis are so great, why do we need more than one of them?</p>
<p>I think my concern is that wikis appear to depend on either very large or very, very active communities. Critical mass doesn&#8217;t come easily, and just because anybody in the world can edit a page, doesn&#8217;t mean they will.</p>
<p>Take the <a href="http://www.world66.com/">World66</a> <a href="http://www.world66.com/northamerica/unitedstates/colorado/denver" title="Denver travel guide">Denver travel guide</a> as an example. The site doesn&#8217;t have much more than a link to the slightly more informative <a href="http://wikitravel.org/en/Denver" title="Denver travel guide - Wikitravel">Wikitravel page for Denver</a>, and even that falls far short of the possibility or promise. Who&#8217;s contributing to these things, and why? Who would want to?</p>
<p>Jenny&#8217;s <a href="http://www.theshiftedlibrarian.com/archives/2005/10/26/blogs_vs_wikis_presentation.html" title="The Shifted Librarian: Blogs Vs. Wikis Presentation">thoughts on the argument</a> from Internet Librarian 2005 (yeah, a year ago) address the rather specific issue of <a href="http://openinternetlibrarian.blogspot.com/">Open Internet Librarian Blog</a> and the <a href="http://internetlibrarian.pbwiki.com/">Internet Librarian Wiki</a> (both now abandoned). Thing is, the real gem in her post was her suggestion that “the tool that ended up working the best in this situation was <a href="http://technorati.com/tag/il05">Technorati</a>. It was the one spot [where] everything was pulled together.”</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s where I think <a href="http://www.bokardo.com/archives/the-delicious-lesson/" title="Bokardo - Social Web Design » The Del.icio.us Lesson">Josh Porter&#8217;s thoughts</a> fit in: “personal value precedes network value.” That is&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;each person on the network needs to find value for themselves before they can contribute value to the network.</p></blockquote>
<p>Blogs are intensely personal, wikis less so. Issues of “ownership” and our definition of “personal” all play a larger role online that might have previously been imagined. One of the mistakes of Web 2.0 is the notion that users will generate content for free. Money may not be the issue, but “value” is.</p>
<p>Perhaps the pre-<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_bomb">burst</a> notions of the <a href="http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue2_4/goldhaber/">attention economy</a> were correct, or maybe something else is at work. But even without an economic theory to explain it, none of us has ever heard of a “wikier,” even as the world appears overrun by bloggers. (“Wikipedians” are the exception that proves the rule.) </p>
<p>Perhaps I cringe at any suggestion to create a new wiki because I wonder why that content can&#8217;t be published on an existing wiki. Perhaps I cringe because I wonder if the proprietary motivation to create a new wiki is itself in conflict with the community nature of wikis. Perhaps anybody can have a blog, but it seems to take a whole community to raise a wiki.</p>
<p><tags>community, critical mass, rant, wiki, wikipedia, wikis</tags></p>
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		<title>Who&#8217;s Afraid Of Wikipedia?</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10995/wikipedia-hater/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casey Bisson</dc:creator>
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Arguments about Wikipedia&#8217;s value and authority will rage for quite a while, but it&#8217;s interesting to see where the lines are being drawn.
On the one had we&#8217;ve got a 12 year-old pointing out errors in Encyclopaedia Britannica (via Many2Many) and now on the other side we&#8217;ve got John Seigenthaler, a former editorial page editor at [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10444/">Arguments about</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia</a>&#8217;s value and authority will rage for quite a while, but it&#8217;s interesting to see where the lines are being drawn.</p>
<p>On the one had we&#8217;ve got a 12 year-old pointing out <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1456119,00.html">errors in Encyclopaedia Britannica</a> (via <a href="http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2005/01/26/britannica_not_so_great_on_the_fact_checking_department_after_all.php">Many2Many</a>) and now on the other side we&#8217;ve got <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr.">John Seigenthaler</a>, a former editorial page editor at USA Today, <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20051130/oplede17.art.htm">piping mad</a> about some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr.#Later_life">libelous content</a> in his Wikipedia biography page.</p>
<p>Now, I have to agree with Seigenthaler in as much as I would never want anybody to make such claims against me, and I&#8217;d probably consider my legal options in such a matter, but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only one who gets a chuckle over the matter. I mean Seigenthaler is the founder of <a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?item=about_fac">The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center</a> at Vanderbilt University, after all.</p>
<p>It all <a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10933/">sounds the same</a> as the <a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/1114/128_print.html">Attack of the Blogs</a> story in November issue of Forbes Magazine. That story began ominously:</p>
<blockquote><p>Web logs are the prized platform of an online lynch mob spouting liberty but spewing lies, libel and invective. Their potent allies in this pursuit include Google and Yahoo.</p></blockquote>
<p>But Forbes and Seigenthaler both conveniently ignore the fact that lies, libel and invective are common in other, <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004105.php">older media</a>. And Seigenthaler should know well the limitations of editorial authority over the millions of words published by hundreds of writers in a newspaper every day. Mistakes are made, and yes, counterfactual material is often slipped in. (Sadly, it&#8217;s also worth noting that real lynch mobs of the post-reconstruction South often enjoyed the support of their local newspapers.)</p>
<p>And unlike those old media, corrections are easy and quick, and in context with the original information. Take a look at how <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr.#Later_life">the Wikipedia entry</a> addresses Seigenthaler&#8217;s complaints as an example.</p>
<p>Yes, the decision structure around these social applications is different from old media, but that doesn&#8217;t make it any more wrong or bad or dangerous. It is, perhaps, a comment on the obscurity of Seigenthaler&#8217;s biography that it went uncorrected for four months, but it&#8217;s also a comment on how responsive the system is that accommodated Seig&#8217;s corrections so quickly. Now, imagine how much Seigenthaler could contribute to Wikipedia. Imagine how much richer our online community could be with his participation?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what Seigenthaler and the Forbes article miss: the blogosphere and Wikipedia are built by those show up to the game. People and companies who ignore it do so at the peril, but there are many examples of success for those who participate.</p>
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