Grizzly Man

David Edelstein’s review of Werner Herzog’s documentary, Grizzly Man, describes Timothy Treadwell as

…a manic but lovable whack-job who doggedly filmed and obsessively idealized the bears that would ultimately eat him…

The film is made up largely of the bits of the hundreds of hours of video that Treadwell himself shot during his 14 years with the bears. Later, however, Edelstein — probably restraining laughter — calls Treadwell “histrionic” and a “drama-queen” (isn’t that sort of redundant?).

If my tone is insufficiently respectful, it’s only because Grizzly Man itself often plays like a Christopher Guest “mockumentary.”

Not all is to be mocked, however. It seems that all who’ve seen the movie ask the same question: “was Treadwell suicidal?” Edelstein does, then adds “was he bipolar?”

My quoting is probably unfair to Edelstein, who’s six graphs on the movie are a whole lot more balanced and documented than what is represented here. Still, he describes the film as:

an emotional roller-coaster ride. You don’t know whether to celebrate or mock, to laugh or weep.

Finally, Edelstein addresses the audio recording Treadwell mad of his own death:

Herzog shoots himself listening on headphones to the six minutes of screaming… He doesn’t share the tape with us and tells Treadwell’s ex-girlfriend to destroy it. You can respect the way Herzog handles that material and still roll your eyes at his theatrics. That’s very much true of the whole film—and its larger-than-life subject. Too bad he wasn’t larger than bears.

Related: Alaskan Bear Attacks and Grizzly Man on IMDB.

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711 Comments

  1. Comment by Morgan on August 24, 2005 11:19 pm

    im very inspired by timothy treadwell and i think he was a very brave outgoing beautiful person and any1 that wants to lower him can go jump

  2. Comment by Morgan on August 24, 2005 11:20 pm

    GOD bless u Tim :)

  3. Comment by timisnutsandhedoesnthaveany on August 28, 2005 3:13 am

    he is w-w-w weirdo

  4. Comment by John on September 2, 2005 11:13 am

    Morgan, if your really that inspired by Treadwell, then you must have the same deep-rooted, suicidal tendencies that he had. He was eaten by what he saw as Winnie-the-Pooh and everyone else see’s as an 800 lb. predator that eats for a living. All he did was give people like you the wrong impression of reality. Open your eyes and try not to be so easily led on by your love for furry animals in Disney movies.

  5. Comment by rusty on September 11, 2005 4:04 am

    you are a real inspiration to all animal lovers worldwide, you did what you wanted despite the begrudgers, you are as much a grizzly as those you filmed.

  6. Comment by John on September 12, 2005 11:33 am

    There is a distinct difference between having a love for animals, wanting to protect them from harm and extinction and having a blind obsession that leads you and your followers to believe you can be like fictional characters in fantasy books and movies, walking, talking and being protected by wild animals.

    A good education would be to speak with the Wardens and Rangers of the National Parks in North America and find out how many people are hurt or killed every year by getting too close to the wild animals just to take a photograph.

  7. Comment by Herbie on October 7, 2005 9:11 pm

    Actually, he seems to have been killed by a bear that he had little to do with. Not one of those he worked with. Also, he and the woman he was working with were killed during the night while trying to drive a bear off from their tent. A recommended course of action if you think a bear is going to attack your tent is to confront it. Yes he was careless, over the top and serious mental problems, but frankly the way some people have tried to represent this story is like saying if you’re killed by a rabid pit bull you’ve never seen before, you were a fool in the first place for owning your pomeranian.

  8. Comment by John on October 12, 2005 3:36 pm

    Pomeranian pets have been known to tear up a child family members face up for no apparent and unprovoked reason too, though! You pet their ears one day and they love you then, in the next few days, they get an ear infection or a small cut that you’re not aware of for whatever reason and when you go to touch them again, they turn on you. When this happens with an 800 lb. animal, whether wild or domestic, a 180 lb. human had better not be in the way. Many a farmer has been killed by their own cow, bull, pig or horse that turned on them so, whether you think you know the animal or not, makes no difference..

  9. Comment by Betsy on November 20, 2005 12:39 am

    I am very inspired by the work he done, considering that he was a dang fool. I can’t believe someone in his business wouldn’t carry a weapon of any kind to protect himself. He should have known eventually this would have happened. Hearing his death story has given me nightmares and I could have lived an entire lifetime without it being broadcasted.

  10. Comment by grandpa stole bets on November 23, 2005 9:01 pm

    Program on the emergence of civilization.

    “14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
    13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
    None from the sub-Saharan African continent. ”
    Favor.
    And disfavor.

    They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

    The roots of racism are not of this earth.

    Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

    The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

    AIDS in Africa.

    Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
    Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

    1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as “god”
    2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
    3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

    Terrestrial management/positioning:

    4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
    5. Romans -
    6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
    7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

    Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
    1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.

    Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying “He has more money than god.” There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says “I’m too old and rich for this.”

    This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

    I don’t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.

    But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won’t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

    The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

    I offer an example of historical proportions:::

    People point to Walmart and cry “anti-union”.
    Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family’s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
    Unions serve to empower.
    Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.

    Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people’s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
    Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

    The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

    I believe the coining of the term “Uncle Sam” was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

    Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals. Malcontents.
    Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they “decided” who they didn’t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
    The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren’t their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

    Royalty is the right way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient’s hierarchical organization.
    Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
    Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
    Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.

    Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil. These seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
    And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

    Simpson’s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. “Last one you ever suspect.”
    “You’ll see lots of nuns where you’re going:::hell!!!” St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
    Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

    Since Buddism doesn’t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
    Budda was the Asian’s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people. “They came up at the same time for a reason.”

    Jews maim the body formed in the image of “god”, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.
    I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
    Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
    What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
    If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
    Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
    Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor. The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of their methodology.

    I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack “god”’s most favored people will pay dearly one day.

  11. Comment by Jack on December 7, 2005 12:41 am

    this man was rejected by society and by bears

  12. Comment by Angie on December 8, 2005 11:00 am

    How many of us wake up every morning and actually love what we are doing in life and can’t wait to get to work???? Probably just a small handfull of us. Tim did what he loved, and he knew the consequences…but it was what he loved doing!I think he is a great warrior and even the indians would look up to him and learn from him……

  13. Comment by Bob on December 11, 2005 6:20 pm

    I want to listento the tape… I think it would be funny to hear his screams. I mean who woudn’t think this? Am I right or what, people?

  14. Comment by Jack on December 11, 2005 6:22 pm

    Iwouldhave to agree with Bob. He’s right, who doesn’t want to?

  15. Comment by allan on December 12, 2005 12:17 am

    bob and jack, i have heard the tape, and its not funny, not much screaming either, anyways you guys are F#%ked up

  16. Comment by Bob 2 on December 20, 2005 9:25 am

    I would be interested to hear the tape because I’m very curious to hear what it sounds like but I have no idea how anyone could find it funny. But everyone is entitled to have there opinion. By the way allan were did you hear the tape?

  17. Comment by willie on December 27, 2005 6:23 pm

    I believe this guy had some seriouse personal problems, and unfourtunatley took it out on the bears, He truly did them as much harm as good. Although he created some amazing footage I don’t believe any seriouse Naturalist, Scientist, Northerner or Native American would ever endorse his behavior, and those of you out there who commend him for his beauty and love of life are as dangerously niave as he was.
    I also would like to hear the tape and think it should be available so that next time some A**hole gets to close to a bear or any animial they can remember the sound of a fools demise and think twice.

  18. Comment by Jewel on December 27, 2005 8:03 pm

    I miss you so much, i just got done watching Grizzly Man:( it just tears me up, but just for you i still have a huge love for bears:) you got to be a stupid motha fucker to get killed on your day off!

  19. Comment by Mike on December 27, 2005 10:49 pm

    Just Finished watching Grizzly Man and I am astonished at the stupidity of this man. Throuout all of his rambling, senseless tapings proclaiming to “be there to protect” the bears, I am at a loss to find what he was protecting them FROM. The bears are in a protected National Park, are at the top of the food chain, and have no natural predators. So what could he possibly be protecing them from?????? He was nothing more than a complete lunatic who was not in touch with reality or in control of his mind.

    I can’t wait until another idiot, like him, tries to live among the Great White sharks. That would make for another interesting documentary!

  20. Comment by Melody on December 28, 2005 12:18 am

    I think his heart was in the right place but basically he should have took more precautions because being around wild animals, you have to have a healthy respect for them. I think he spent too much time alone in the wilderness and eventually it got to him, how could it not? I think he lost his understanding of reality, and from what I saw didnt really like people a whole lot. I do truly feel for his family and friends, for despite his mistakes, he did want to make a point and try to make a difference.

  21. Comment by Mason on December 28, 2005 12:39 am

    If some one knows where the tape of his bear attack can be found please let me know! I found it deeply ironic that this man spent his life loving bears, and the last minutes of life was probably him thinking how much he hated bears. plus edelstein, thanks for telling that women to destroy the tape! way to ruin the ending of your own documentary… your a horrible film maker.

  22. Comment by hoffman on December 28, 2005 9:58 am

    I think the movie was a hoax…did the whole thing not look like it was produced by the makers of the Daily Show and not Herzog?

  23. Comment by Scott on December 30, 2005 11:08 am

    After seeing Grizzly Man, I am confused. I am confused at how anyone could actually admire, support or herald the actions of Timothy Treadwell. Though he was a gentle soul, he was a deeply troubled and emotionally disturbed man. I didn’t once see Timothy actually “protecting” the bears from anyone or anything. I’ve no doubt that if he’d ever actually done this, the film maker would have put that shot in the film. I’ts okay to love any wild animal, to admire them. But what Timothy did actually brought more harm to his beloved bears than good. The man was sadly insane.

  24. Comment by Phil on December 30, 2005 12:50 pm

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,ribs………
    the moral of the story…
    survival of the fittest (or the more intelligent)
    …for a wounded man may say to his assailant,”If I die,you are forgiven…and if I live,I will kill you…”

  25. Comment by Paul on December 30, 2005 1:16 pm

    Timothy Treadwell, God bless his soul. After watching the movie “Grizzly Man,” one obvious conclusion arose. The man was with out a doubt mentally insane. He brought distinct memories of a character named Buffalo Bill in the movie “Silence of the Lambs.” Overall, I feel pity and sorrow for Timothy Treadwell.

  26. Comment by chris on December 30, 2005 1:17 pm

    Timothy Treadwell, God bless his soul. After watching the movie “Grizzly Man,” one obvious conclusion arose. The man was with out a doubt mentally insane. He brought distinct memories of a character named Buffalo Bill in the movie “Silence of the Lambs.” Overall, I feel pity and sorrow for Timothy Treadwell.

  27. Comment by Beth on December 30, 2005 1:28 pm

    I am amazed at some you people. Unfortunately, you did not have the pleasure to meet Timothy Treadwell as my family did. Yes, he was a little eccentric, but his mission in life was to try and protect the bears. He never told anyone where he was actually staying in Alaska. Only his bush pilot knew. He respected them very much and was there to observe.

    He was also very ecstatic to share his findings with “intercity” kids, many of whom have never even seen a bear.

    You may think of him as suicidal, but don’t you take your own risk in your own hands driving on the highway with all of the road rage. At least you know what a wild animal may be dangerous, but you never know about the driver behind you.

    Personally, I think what he did was admirable & respect him for it. It took alot for a person to devote his life to live with wild animals. Myself, I couldn’t do it.

    Gee, do you think Jane Goodall was crazy for living with the apes????

  28. Comment by Patrick on December 30, 2005 11:41 pm

    “I want to listento the tape… I think it would be funny to hear his screams. I mean who woudn’t think this? Am I right or what, people?”

    bob,

    you think it would be funny to hear his screams as he is eaten alive? i don’t know how old you are but for you to think this puts you way below Treadwell in my book.

    the guy had some serious issues but that doesn’t make it funny to hear him eaten alive by a wild animal. maybe you will change your mind if you hear the tape. you may find yourself in a situation similar to this one day and then it won’t be so funny. i met a guy once who laughed at the jumpers on 9/11.

    parts of the film were amusing though like when he was looking at the bear s*** and when one of the bears defecated while fighting.

    anyway i think Treadwell, despite his shortcomings/issues, is a cut above some of the people on this board. ah well it’s a public board.

  29. Comment by Neil on December 31, 2005 2:19 am

    Timothy Treadwell was an idiot, anyone above who thought that what he did was admirable, give me a break!! He was a crazy liberal freak, trying to push his dumb ideals onto others, have you read about his life prior to his awakening to “save the bears”. He was a drunk, drug infested loser. He was a lunatic in the movie, and definately going downhill from 2001. Obviously, his now dead girlfriend, thanks to him, was going to leave him. If you disagree with me, rub your hands all over your partners poop, and look into a camera and with sincere emotion, tell it that you love it, and love touching it, because it came out of their butt. Sounds crazy to me…Some people are just better off dead. I also think that it is funny that they shot the bear, and then another one because of his death. They are not nice animals, just make great rugs.

    P.S. I believe that they were killed when it was light out (Herbie - October 7th) It was the lens cap that made it appear to be night, imagine that, I bet your home movies suck!

  30. Comment by Margaret on December 31, 2005 12:43 pm

    I just watched the Grizzy Man on DVD and wanted to share some of my thoughts about Timothy and the movie.

    My first thought is that Timothy was trying to get into acting. People who strive to become an actor usually do have certain issues or personality traits that differ from the average person. Many of them are involved in drugs, have delusions of grandeur, are vain, are passionate, and have fragile egos and can be very emotional. For example, look at how “crazy” Tom Cruise has been behaving. I’m sure you could substitute the name of almost any famous entertainment personality and find personality flaws and weaknesses such as what was found in Timothy. Maybe the only difference is that the majority of them are taking their meds (but of course, not Tom Cruse ) For that matter, it isn’t just people in the entertainment business who suffer from these imperfections. You can find them everywhere. Timothy just made himself more public.

    I don’t believe that Timothy was a liar when he tried to portray himself as alone out there because it was obvious to me, in the clips of Tim’s own filming of himself, that he intended to make a movie or documentary of this. Are actors liars? No, they are playing a role.

    Part of the world he lived in that seems so odd to us was probably just his attempt to get into the role that he chose for himself. He was going to be the star of his own movie and if it was about living with grizzlies then sure, getting into the mind (or his perception of the mind) of the grizzlies would be part of his preparation for the role. It isn’t unheard of for actors to do unusual things to prepare for a role.

    Sure, he had a drug and alcohol abuse problem in the past and many people who overcome such self-imposed challenges do come out with emotional scars. This guy was supposed to be on medication to help even out his mood and he went off his meds because he wanted to have those extreme ups and extreme downs. That is what we are also witnessing in those clips.

    Then to be alone out there, as he was much of the time, can tend to make someone a little unusual or odd. I’m sure that part of the way he coped out there alone was to film his scenes and takes, focusing on the portrayal of his story. Finding friends in wild animals like the little foxes was probably another way he fought the lonliness.

    I feel that by filming his rants about the government and such was also some sort of “therapy” for him. I know that everyone needs to vent their frustrations sometimes and by filming his frustrations he could watch them over and perhaps sympathize with himself. Maybe that way he didn’t feel so alone? Maybe he would look at his rants and just laugh, amusing himself with them. Who knows? I think it probably helped him some how. When people spend a lot of time alone they can start doing things that seem crazy to the average person. People can get “weird”. (The thought of Michael Jackson comes up, he’s been so out of the “real world” for years and he is also weird.)

    I think his anthromorphizing the grizzlies, of course, was wrong and I do think he took unbelievable risks. Touching wild grizzly bears is definitely not something someone who is in their right mind would be doing.

    As far as the child-like side of him to be seen in the clips, we also have to remember that in his mind he was trying to set up clips that he could show to children so some of that may have been for their benefit. One scene that comes to mind is when the two bears were fighting and he said that the larger bear “did a #2″. That was something that perhaps he was filming for the benefit of school children, but then towards the end of that scene, he talks about his trouble with women and he said something about how he’d never fight like that over a woman, “no f-ing way” (or something to that effect) which of course wouldn’t be a whole scene intended for school children (at least not in my mind). So sure, some of his scenes that were chosen for Grizzly Man could have been scenes that he would not have used or kept, or maybe even thought of them as “bloopers”.

    I think Timothy his problem with women stemmed from the fact that they didn’t want to spend half their life living in a tent in the Alaskan wilderness and that they needed a partner that could be a contributing member of a normal household. I don’t think he was going to give up the wilderness and the grizzlies and I don’t think he ever intended to earn enough money to help hold down a normal life in civilization. He thought women needed care and finesse and I think they just wanted a stable person who could live in the real world with them. I don’t think he was homosexual, but I do think he was emotionally lonely and that he looked to fill that void with animals. I’m sure his relationships would have not been so difficult if he had also accepted treatment for the sake of his mental health.

    I don’t think he “deserved” to die the way that he did, although at the rate he was going I do think it was inevitable. If his mind had been thinking correctly he might not have returned to the “Maze” once the salmon had stopped running and food was scarce right before hibernation. The timing and the location couldn’t have been worse and that is something that someone who was studying grizzlies should have understood.

    Without help for his mental state, and with his talk about becoming a dissident if need be, his anti-government statements, and his curiosity of the judicial system, he might have become a danger to the safety of others who worked for the park services or other government agencies. His mental illness could have continued to get worse and worse.

    While I can sympathize with his love of animals and his compassion for them, I do think he took it to unhealthy and abnormal extremes. His story was a sad one.

  31. Comment by Jarrod on December 31, 2005 2:40 pm

    he was an idiot. he proved nothing. he got himself and someone else killed. not to mention that he was friggin weird. hippies…. and if you think he was inspired and beautiful then you can go hug a tree too. better yet, hug a bear, see what happens to you.

  32. Comment by Margaret on December 31, 2005 3:18 pm

    LOL! You remind me of my drummer, the self-proclaimed Republican and “manager sector Earth”. LOL!

  33. Comment by anonymous on January 1, 2006 12:25 pm

    i honestly believe he wanted to die just because of the things he said and how he said them. i believe that woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time but treadwell was right where he’d plan to have been and wanted to be. he is kinda out there but i think he was striving for someone/something to except him, and he was trying to find himself and he thought that he could do that within bears and wildlife. he was neive to what they were and still are capable of.he didnt feal like the world excepted him because he was diffrent. i dont think we should look at weather he crazy or not or look at his smarts or whatever we should look at what God put him on the Earth to do. God had a plan for him, things happen for a reason maybe that was the wrong one we’ll never know only the Lord will. god bless you all and lord i asked you to rest his soul and put his friends and family to peace.

  34. Comment by duncan on January 2, 2006 1:34 am

    Untreated bipolar disorder… sad, as he obviously had a good heart and a desire to be of use in this world, but his grandiosity and impaired judgment put him in danger. A cautionary tale, to be sure.

    To learn more:
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/bipolar.cfm

  35. Comment by JGK on January 2, 2006 4:56 am

    Wow, it is so obvious that there are so many insensitive and such judgemental people out there! Guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Bob is a sadistic example of a good portion of our population, unfortunately. He probably listens to Howard Stearn too! Neil is another piece of work and the list could go on… Timothy Treadwell, on the other hand, I felt, was incredibly unique and did what he whole heartedly wanted to be doing. How many can say the same about the way they spend their lives? It’s too bad that Amy got caught up this last time. She apparently wanted to return back to the airport :( I feel sympathy for her. Why didn’t she run? Timothy even tells her to and still she stuck around. We never know how we will react in a situation like that. She may have froze or felt a true conviction to not abandone Timothy. (I know, I know… most of you tough guys and gals would have a gun or two. So tough with your weapons) I can’t imagine anything other than his final moments being filled with, not hatred towards the bear but realistically terrified. Hopefully, one experiences a surreal, shock-like death at the mercy of an animal like these. Lots of questions could come up about this incident. I have to admit I was curious and I too wanted to hear the tape and was disappointed that it almost lead up to the viewer thinking that they might and then Edelstein (?) tells the ex-girlfriend to destroy it. I don’t beleive that six minutes of recording would have answered much though. I think that we have to respect his advice. I can only imagine, as a mother, having the population wanting to and/or actually hearing the graphic sounds of my son’s or daughter’s death… it would make me sick. Especially if they found it amusing, as some of you barbarians above have eluded to. I’m sure that the thought that there are several dozen that have already heard it, is already hard for their families to deal with.
    I do appreciate the footage that he gathered of those beautiful animals. Nature is a true gift to this Earth and we do have to respect it. Obviously Timothy made it his mission (understatement!) to live that example.
    >>
    Something Timothy may not have agreed with or just maybe had a personal challenge with was that we have to have a degree of fear for nature as well. As I do for the ocean. I SCUBA and I have a tremendous respect for the ocean and the animals in it. As well as a “safety” degree of fear. Makes sense to me. He (Timothy) was too immersed in his bear studies. His good judgement obviously DID get on the plane! Poor guy, he had a gentle spirit. It’s truly a shame for Amy. RIP to them both.

  36. Comment by JGK on January 2, 2006 5:03 am

    FYI… don’t try to say anything about the government as I just wasted some time doing… it’s not allowed through!!

  37. Comment by EJ on January 2, 2006 6:46 pm

    The people who knew Tim Treadwell the best all spoke highly of him. When I saw the film, I had a real wide range of reactions : My main feeling was that this is the sort of behavior that shows like The Crocodile Hunter help create. Do you remember the Disney animal documentaries? They concentrated on animals, and people hardly ever were seen. But the new method is to create viewers’ excitement by inserting yourself into the animal’s environment ie swimming with sharks, picking up rattlesnakes by their tails, etc. At some level, I think Tim was realizing that his physical contact with the bears would put him in the same league with the other daredevils on the Discovery Channel. It’s a new mode of nature filming designed to appeal to a public who is being weaned on reality television. Treadwell was at heart an entertainer. Did he also go overboard in his “I love you, I love you” approach? Absolutely. Even the Crocodile Hunter draws a line at fondling python turds. But I think Tim truly DID love the bears, and the life they had ushered him into.
    As for those who call him a sissy tree-hugger, you go swimming with a 900 pound wild Kodiak Bear and maybe then I’ll listen to your whining about Treadwell. You won’t. Because you don’t have the cojones that Tim had on his worst day.

  38. Comment by sparda on January 2, 2006 9:04 pm

    I think Tim was a nut head because he thought he was a bear. Although I think he had great care for the bears. Can anyone tell me where i can find the audio of him screaming?

  39. Comment by Bob on January 3, 2006 1:40 am

    Hell on earth best describes Treadwells’ life in this self glorifing movie. Putting bears before people always ends in death.

  40. Comment by Colby on January 3, 2006 4:06 am

    I think Timothy was a man who was considerate and in-tune with nature. I would categorize him as one of the top 5 coolest and influential people I have ever heard about. People who make fun of him and mock his work are truly intolerant to nature, life, God, and even Satan himself. Those who mock him are only jealous of all that he has accomplished.

  41. Comment by Phil on January 3, 2006 9:38 am

    TIMOTHY DID HAVE A BIG HEART…..
    (i wonder how it tasted?)

  42. Comment by Phil on January 3, 2006 9:40 am

    Timothy did have a big heart……
    (i wonder how it tasted)

  43. Comment by Elad on January 3, 2006 4:37 pm

    Has anyone questioned the Park Services policy establishing a 100′ rule around bears? This policy protects you and maybe more importantly protects the bears during future contacts with people. Every bear that Treadwell engaged was conditioned to see humans as a NON-threatening being. These bears lost a natural fear and respect of man. This could well result in a fatal man-bear confrontation.

    To truly respect these animals is to give them what they already have—a near humanless existence. His studies were in my opinion pathologically selfish and devoid of reason.
    If Treadwell wanted to serve the bears he should have hunted the poachers and filmed himself doing so. That has movie rights written all over it.
    That being said, bless the people that suffer Tim’s loss but Mother Nature as always did the right thing.

  44. Comment by kiley on January 3, 2006 6:45 pm

    where can i listen to the tape

  45. Comment by orca on January 3, 2006 11:32 pm

    i’m a west coast guy
    cum ba ya
    nice bear
    nice bear
    crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch crunch

  46. Comment by Mike on January 4, 2006 2:21 am

    It is truly amazing some poeple can not grasp reality. Many of you on this site keep praising Timothy Treadwell’s so- called “work”. Pay attention to the FACTS. He was NOT a scientist, biologist or even had 1 day of formal education or training. What work did he produce? Any scientific facts or data collected during his 13 summers spent with the bears? How about one single conclusion about bear behavior? Mating habbits? Diet? Anything?? Come on you defenders of Timmy, prove me wrong! Show me what his work produced.

    Other people on this site keep mentioning he was there to protect the bears. FROM WHAT!! There never was a poaching problem in the park. Hunting is not allowed. No one was hunting the bears there. Get this fact into your feeble little minds!!! And elsewhere in Alaska where hunting is completely legal, it does NOT have an impact on the overall bear population. Educate yourself on the FACTS before you open your pie holes.

  47. Comment by WS on January 4, 2006 10:04 am

    ISN’T ANYONE GOING TO TELL US WHERE TO HEAR THE TAPE?

  48. Comment by serenity on January 4, 2006 8:08 pm

    People, what is wrong with all of you? As crazy as he might have been he was a human being. Mocking his life and especially his death is an outrage and a discrace to yourself and think of how his family would feel if they read your comments.
    The tape has been destroyed. I too wanted to hear it, not sure why, but after hearing comments like,”I think it would be funny to hear his screams.” I understand why she destroyed it. Timothy had many problems and he went about fixing them the wrong way, but he was truly a good man who thought he was helping. Its tragic what happened to him, though he had it coming. There is no reason to mock a dead man. Would you think the screams of 911 were “funny”, didn’t think so.
    God Bless Timothy Treadwell

  49. Comment by baloo on January 4, 2006 9:53 pm

    the man was an ass-clown

    it was painfully and pathetically obvious that he had no scientific training

    he also exhibited a horrendous lack of professionalism as a photographer

    as he went about his ‘work’, whatever exactly it was he did, he was out for one thing above all else . . . attention

    if half of what herman the german was saying about him was true, he obviously had great difficulty fitting in and being accepted by people, so this was his way of getting attention

    lots of the footage was very cool, and most people might find themselves envying his ability to spend pretty much all of his time having fun, ‘cuz he was obviously having a good time

    but he ultimately did not respect the bears; maybe he was just not mature enough, or never reached that stage of social-emotional development, to put the needs of other living things above his own desires to pet the bears and show the pictures of him doing so to others so they would be impressed by him

    he was a foolish, selfish buffoon

  50. Comment by Sandra on January 5, 2006 4:39 am

    I agree with Margaret (December 31st, 2005 12:43). Treadwell was an actor making a film and trying out different personas on film. He probably also filmed his own rants as therapy, but would not have included them in a final film. He lived his dream and obviously knew a lot in order to last as long as he did. He should have known to stay away from a big old hungry bear, or at least keep his girlfriend away. His words showed that he realized the dangerous situation, but it seems he was too accoustomed to facing danger and getting away with it to be sensible. Young men have always tested themselves against dangers, and he was as beautiful as any of them. Those of you who think he was suicidal have likely never felt the awe of looking into the eyes of a wild animal and seeing a living, thinking being looking back.

    And yeah, in fall if a bear hasn’t built up the fat reserves it needs, it will be crazy with hunger and will do anything to get food. A wounded or starving bear is something to avoid, but most of the time bears wont bother people. Read “Grizzly Heart: Living Without Fear Among the Brown Bears of Kamchatka” By Charlie Russell for more insight on grizzlies. (Note that Charlie Russell deals mostly with female bears, and it seems that, except for defensive females with cubs, a lot of attacks are by angry male bears.)

    I must say that the narrator of Grizzly Man did a disservice to Treadwell be not recognizing that Treadwell was an actor and likely was acting for the camera sometimes rather than speaking words that he wished to be remembered by!

  51. Trackback by Suicide Girls > Members > AcidBearBoy on January 5, 2006 7:27 am

    WEDNESDAY JANUARY 04 2006

    Oh yeah, best (unintentional) comedy of 2005: “Grizzly Man“. You canÂ’t even tell me that the director didnÂ’t intend at least in some small way for this to be a laugh riot. Cutting directly from Tim Treadwell talking about the grizzlyÂ’s potential to “maim, kill, decapitate” and how heÂ’s so close to death he can smell it, but heÂ’s the only one able to tame these wild beasts to an interview with someone who discovered his rib cage and arm with his watch still intact fucking kills me.

    ArenÂ’t recovering drug addict kooks just a hoot?

  52. Comment by WS on January 5, 2006 10:00 am

    I think he was cute and I would have dated him.

  53. Comment by Bill on January 5, 2006 10:11 am

    I sure hope there’s another bear story coming out soon so we can start a new debate. This one’s gotten real old and has been debated to death. Treadwell was eaten because of his own misguided problems. Get over it and let’s move on. There are an awful lot of more important things going on on this planet. Let’s find one and talk about it for a while.

  54. Comment by eightysixed on January 5, 2006 7:44 pm

    I don’t know about all of you, but some of you are nature enthusiasts. As a wildlife and nature lover myself there were times during the movie when I was envious of the man. I’d read about his untimely demise a long time before the film, so I knew how it all was going to end. As for Tim wanting to be like the snake/alligator/bug wranglers of today and wanting “shock value;” utterly rediculous he’d been doing it and filming it for 13 years. Never once did he ask for money or to be paid for his “work.” The film is quite clear on that as is he when he repeats that “bears can decapitate you.” Though I may have been envious of him, I also was well aware, long before he came along that bears are dangerous creatures and having hiked throughout MI where black bears are plentiful know what to do and what not to do. One thing that could’ve saved his life was a can of “bear spray” AKA pepper spray which will not hurt the animal, but indeed deter it. The man had problems obviously - but everyone does. How we all find solace is to each his own. While I agree that he let himself get lost in his “cause”, and blatantly defied the laws of nature; I feel that he was probably happy with the way he died. Incredible scenery, and perhaps some of the only film ever to have captured the Grizzly like this, in it’s natural state.

  55. Comment by shawn on January 6, 2006 11:04 pm

    John,
    Ther is a very fine line between what Tim did and reality but how your scrutinizing makes you seem like a pathetic and stuck up a-hole. Would I try what he did, no. Do I admire and respect him for what he did, yes. Did he seem a little eccentric, yes but it made it all the more entertaining while watching those magnificent animals. What Timothy could do that none of us could was amazing, lighten up a little.

  56. Comment by chelsea on January 7, 2006 9:37 am

    He’s lost his damn mind i dont care if he loved the bears or not

  57. Comment by anna on January 7, 2006 10:32 pm

    I heard the tape years ago when it first happened. It was on the news on the radio. There’s lots of scuffling sounds, maybe the tent blowing in the wind? Lots of yelling, Amie yelling “play dead” “fight back”. They didn’t play anymore than that. I hope this satifies your gruesome curiosity.

  58. Comment by Roberto on January 7, 2006 10:45 pm

    That was so stupid of timmy to do that. Bears are animals not people in bear costumes!!!! Oh and how much $ did he pay for that fox????

  59. Comment by brimers on January 7, 2006 11:48 pm

    I’m not sure about all this talk of “recovering” drug addict… he clearly was well stocked with mushrooms and other hallucingenics during his summers of bears…

  60. Comment by Mike on January 8, 2006 2:37 am

    Its a blessing of nature that this guy is out of the gene pool. Unfortunately, a bear had to die in the process.

  61. Comment by Brent on January 8, 2006 2:44 am

    I just finished watching grizzly Man Tim was a very brave man but at the same time a very stupid man. Bears are a wild animal, just as any other wild animal they are untameable. Tim was a man that seemed a little out of his mind. To anyone that has not seen bears or does not live near them take it from a person who lives in Alaska and has for his whole life, they are an animal that is not to be messed with. The park service has made the rules that they have for a reason and that is to keep people like Tim from being killed.

  62. Comment by sean on January 8, 2006 12:48 pm

    Beth: After reading your comment about how this crazy man portrayed hs experiences with grizzlies to intercity kids: Jane Goodall was a profesional with Apes and had been beaten on numerous occasions by the animals she loved. She also had a phd in what she was doing. to compair Her with the Grizzly man is not only idiotic but ignorant at best. He was incredibly stupid. Besides his epitath will be. Hi! I am a fake australian…crunch….crunch….burp….ouch. (Reply from the grizzly!….. The moral of this tragic story…..Leave the 800 pound griz alone!

  63. Comment by patti on January 8, 2006 2:14 pm

    We watched this last night. Half of us were laughing hysterically while a few, or 1 of my friends actually believed that moron to be an educator. Maybe an educator for kids to stay off drugs, but certainly he had no formal training. I’m convinced of a few things: this had to be a mockumentary - even the so called ‘coroner’ was a little too dramatic to be taken seriously. I think Treadwell faked his own death and now is one of the cast of ‘Queer Eye for the Straight Guy’. Thank God he didn’t get the part of Woody.
    In my ‘forensic files’ mind, perhaps he killed his girlfriend and faked his own death. He was too in love with himself to leave the lens cap on the camera.
    Either way, thankfully he cannot breed.

  64. Comment by Larry on January 8, 2006 8:21 pm

    I was quite amazed by this movie for different reasons. The footage of Tim and the bears was incredible, regardless of your opinion of Tim. What he was able to accomplish in terms of interacting with these powerful and dangerous animals is nothing less then remarkable.

    As I watched this moving it became fairly clear to me, at least in my opinion, that Tim suffered from Bipolar disorder…a disorder that I myself was diagnoised with almost 6 years ago. One thing that struck me as I listened to some of the interviews and I listened to Tim talk about his demons was that perhaps this terrible event could have been avoided had Tim sought out treatment and gotten help. But has his ex-girlfriend put it…Tim didn’t like the medication, he wanted the highs and lows and felt it was a part of his personality, but in reality Tim was misguided. The extreme highs that would cause anyone to take this kind of risk and the extreme lows which are not related to any event in your life cannot be considered part of your personality per say when the truth is you have a mind that is causing you to do things that you would normally not do…it’s as though you have no control and you are another person.

    Tim sadly showed classic signs in many ways of this disorder. The rage at the end of the film and the ability to switch it off and do another take under perfect control was a great example…keeping in mind that he was completely alone with no one but his own thoughts to provoke him… His drinking problem is another classic sign of self medicating until he turned and obsessed on another form of medication to ease the turmoil going on inside his head….and that was animals…namely very dangerous bears…

    I found the movie very entertaining despite what the critics said, although the narration at times was pretty lame…

  65. Comment by Todd on January 9, 2006 11:50 am

    What an inspiration! Here’s a guy that had trouble with drinking and drugs, yet ended up finding his peace with nature. There is a lot of criticism for what Tim did. And, I definitely understand the logic behind all of this. Yet, I also understand the desire to break-free from this “crazy” world in which we live. I have been through several ups-and-downs of sobreity/drinking myself. Nothing has been more soothing then nature. I have endured with the harshest addicts. And nature has alwyas been been the easiest road to recovery for me. After weeks of enduring group therapy and pscho-analysis, nature is what keeps us sane. It’s amazing. You look at us, and we’re scratching our skin like bugs are underneath it. But, once you get us outside to view the plains and mountains, there’s a feeling so beautiful that it overcomes the most insane person. It can have life-altering effects. This is beautiful country. And, we can only appreciate it more, thanks to Tim. God Bless.

  66. Comment by Mike on January 9, 2006 1:41 pm

    He’s a total freak…and deserved his fate, too bad for his girlfriend though. Don’t “F” with bears loser!

  67. Comment by Delo on January 10, 2006 2:49 am

    Basically, anyone who said they heard the tape is a liar. There are no copies of it, and the only tape is with Timothy’s “widow”. However, I would like to see some autopsy photos. If anyone knows where I can find them please tell.

    p.s. I read online there is a scene that didn’t make the film where Tim screws a dead baby bear.

  68. Comment by WS on January 10, 2006 10:25 am

    Why do people want the gallbladders of bears?

  69. Comment by chance on January 10, 2006 1:33 pm

    WS The gall bladders are used in chinese medicine.

    http://www.traffic.org/publications/summaries/summary-bear.html

    I watched the documentary last night and like a lot of others….was left with mixed feelings. Tim was a deeply troubled and eccentric…but he was also passionate and talented in some ways. I get so fed up with the insanity of “modern civilization” ….it’s wars and selfishness…that sometimes I would like to live in a place untouched by man myself. I could relate to some of what Tim felt. But I agree that in nature there is a line that you don’t cross with animals like bears. Conditioning them to human contact is NOT protecting them. The native Inuit museum curator felt he had shown…in reality….disrespect for the bears. I have to agree although I know in his own mind he did not see it that way.

    peace,
    chance

  70. Comment by Sue on January 11, 2006 1:11 pm

    To all of you who thinks anyone deserves to die in this manner, you’re the ones who have a problem, take a good look in the mirror…you’re the ones who are acting like freaks, if you ask me, and deep down, you must know it, at least I hope you stop and think how sick you sound on your blog…

    In my mind, you’re the ones who are mentally ill and need mental help by being so pathetic that you could make a joke how his bones sounded when he was being eaten and how his heart tastes! You’re just disgusting!

    I don’t agree with all that Tim did, but would never wish death on someone who is doing what he loves, even if he wasn’t always thinking clearly. No, he probably should not have had his girlfriend with him and shouldn’t have been there so late in the year, but he loved what he was doing and in his mind thought he was helping them.

    How anyone could wish this type of death on someone just boggles my mind. You’re SICK!!!! I just saw the movie last night and I can’t sleep thinking of how horrible it would be to die this way and anyone who thinks Tim deserves it is out of their mind…

    After reading the sick joke about how good his heart tastes, I just wanted to puke. You’re twisted and pathetic. Anyone who thinks it’s funny and makes jokes about somoneone’s death that way is sick, sick, sick…after reading all your comments, no wonder I love animals so much and think most of the human race is just plain disgusting. FREAKS!

    Think about how his family must feel reading these sick things you are saying about him on the internet. Have some respect and grow up!

  71. Comment by Bubba Bob on January 11, 2006 2:07 pm

    I’m Bubba Bob and I accidentally shot myself today while I was out hunting, although I didn’t deserve to get hurt, but those darn animal lovers who go out and try to protect those gosh darn animals sure do!!!!! Yup! That Tim guy should have been out there with a gun aiming, stead of trying to take a pikture of them damn bears!!! Gosh darn fool…And while I’m thinkin of it, my buddy Jimmy Cracked Corn didn’t deserve it when his hunting buddy shot him to death last year, when he was aiming for that stupid deer, he was just out trying to kill himself a damn animal so he could hang it’s head on his wall…and hang the carcass out to dry on his porch. Maybe some of you all darn animal lovers will say he deserved to die…he was just out making a living trying to get some $ for their skins and such…Yup, yup.

    I sure do hate animals and just want to go out and shoot them all, and I sure wish I could have been up there in Alaska to shoot that darn animal lover, Tim or whatever his name was cause he deserved it cause he’s an animal lover and that bear that ate ‘em I wish I would have been the one to cut off his paw…cause I’m Hillbilly Bubba Bob….

    DEDICATED TO ALL YOU SICK FREAKS WHO THINK TIM DESERVED TO DIE THIS WAY

  72. Comment by Connie on January 11, 2006 4:13 pm

    Clearly, as a professional nurse, Tim was bipolar. I’m not sure what has been served in showing a persons mental illness on the big screen, especially without a follow-up comment from therapists. Most of the public does not understand mental illness. I could see nothing that Tim did to further the protection of bears. A little bit more history would have been helpful. Bipolar behavior is very serious and can lead to very extreme, uncontrollable behavior. Tim’s little rants and raves could have lead to more extreme behavior against the park service. You just don’t know.

  73. Comment by joe on January 11, 2006 6:45 pm

    bubba bob….love it!

  74. Comment by Landon on January 11, 2006 7:21 pm

    Who are we to judge one man’s happiness, he found something that most of the human race will never find, true happiness, and love for something other than himself.

    People look at Tim and see a weirdo because he didn’t like being with people, I don’t blame him, I take my hat off to you Tim, animals kill for survival not to get ahead…try to live in Central Park in New York City, I bet no one could do it one summer without a gun . I’d rather die in the wild too.

  75. Comment by Greg on January 12, 2006 10:44 am

    For all of you who think that Tim deserved to die you, there is really nothing to say to you as it would do no good. Still, Tim who claims to have known bears so well clearly should have known that he would die at the hands of the things that he loved. As several individuals within the film showed, these are animals that need to be respected and while loving something is great I don’t believe Tim had enough respect for the animals. Anyone who respects a wild animal would not touch one so as to habituate it with humans. Look at the scene where Tim is watching the group from the trees hiding from them and the bear simply walks right up to them and they have to try to scare the bear off with rocks. Just as one man within the movie pointed out, he had done more harm that good. While his heart was in the right place he was foolish and had the grand idea that he was a part of the bear community. As Connie had just pointed out and is evident from the film, Tim clearly had some mental issues going on in the film. Even the film shows that he was on medication and took himself off of it because he needed to live the highs and lows within his own personality.

    Given all of this, I still don’t believe that Tim deserved to die. Do I think that in reality he died due to his foolishness? Clearly yes, but that happens all the time in life. Do I think that Tim should be reveared? Yes and no. Here was a man who kicked both alcohal and drugs and did something in life that few of us do. That is something, not for our own gain but to truely help a cause. Still, either due to his mental illness or his own vanity, he ended up hurting his own cause.

    Just so all of you know, I do hunt and I believe that it is an intergral part of both human nature and maintaining a balance in nature now that man has spread so widely accross this planet. As a society we do encroach upon places that should be left alone at times, but at the same time, we are animals just like the grizzly bears and our ultimate goal is to survive.

  76. Comment by Timothy Treadwell's Ghost on January 13, 2006 6:49 am

    Hey guys, don’t feel sad for me. I became bear scat in the end like I always wanted to and now I’m touching myself, I can’t believe it, I just came out of a bear’s butt and I’m so warm. God bless.

  77. Comment by Timothy Treadwell's Ghost on January 13, 2006 6:56 am

    Oh, I almost forgot.

    Tuuu yip tuu yip tuuuuuu
    Tuu yip tuuuu yip tuuuu

    For those of you foolish enough to think I didn’t protect the bears, remember when those people threw a rock at that cub? The only reason I hid behind the bush and wept as I soiled myself, I had to stay hidden. How else can I protect the bears? Sure, two bears died because of me, and some chick that liked a gay dude. Well, I died too. I was all worth it. I taught so many children that if they are “special” like me, they too can live with bears. You don’t need an education, just believe in something and make a name for yourself. At least you will be remembered, not just worm food…forgotten. Hey, I’m a celebrity….go fish….GOT WHAT I WANTED!

  78. Comment by Yogi on January 13, 2006 8:00 am

    The “My Life Is All Your Fault” projections buried in Little Timmy’s ravings quickly became a real bore-fest.

    All you really need to know about megalomaniac Timothy “Fierce Protector Of The Grizzly” Treadwell is revealed in ONE very telling scene in “Grizzly Man” when a couple of men in a group are throwing rocks at Tim’s beloved bears about 50 feet from Clown-Boy Treadwell.

    Now, this is the moment of truth—Does Treadwell back up all the chest-thumping, preening, and preaching he’s been doing in front of the camera (as the bears shining sole protector) and fearlessly confront the rock-throwers as we’ve been led to expect?

    NO. He cowers behind a bush and crys (softly) like a shivering monkey.

    For all his tough guy rantings— the truth is that WHEN THE CHIPS WERE DOWN, this fraud wet his pants like a little girl (and in true Barney Fife-like fashion, later whines that the rock-throwing incident is all documented on videotape; presumably, to show the ‘authorities’ he doesn’t trust to protect the bears to begin with…).

    I won’t even go into the hypocrisy involved in this fool’s repeat and ridiculously emphatic statements that he would NEVER hurt the bears even if his own life was endangered—then, of course, in another moment of truth, he orders his poor girlfriend/hostage to hit the one with his skull in its mouth with a frying pan. Sheesh.

    Kudos to Werner Herzog for this educating peek into the fantasy-based ‘mind’ of the modern-day, so-called liberal. It’s a beautifully done reminder to all that SUICIDAL and STUPID is no way to go through life.

    What lesson did we learn from “Grizzly Man”, children? That’s right… Never trust a leftist.

    If only more ‘natural selection’ like this could take place, common sense would be a lot more common, would it not?

    LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER.

  79. Comment by Rusty Shackleford on January 13, 2006 8:18 am

    “I discovered that singing soothes these bears.”
    —Timothy Treadwell (psychopath)

    In the final moments, Olivia Newton John’s “I Honestly Love You” fell on deaf ears.

    Even “Can You Feel The Love Tonight” and “Your Song” went unheeded.

    Even their duet of Lionel Ritchie’s and Diana Ross’ “Endless Love” to the beat of the melodic ring of a frying pan was to no avail.

  80. Comment by Henry Krinkle on January 13, 2006 8:27 am

    Treadwell did not tread well.

    “There can be no covenant between lions and men.”
    —-Homer; 900 B.C.

  81. Comment by Ben on January 15, 2006 4:24 am

    An obvious and flamboyant homosexual as well as a manipulative and compulsive liar. It was not about bears or saving them–they need no help. It was about Tim Treadwell and the showcasing of his “acting” skills. Dude was one FANTASTIC egomaniac. His most difficult pain seemed to come from having to actually leave the camera’s view and turn it off from time to time. An uneducated man in way over his head. The whole thing almost seems like a hoax.

  82. Comment by Ben on January 15, 2006 5:10 am

    Now that I think about it, I think it IS a hoax. I hate to say it, but this moron is probably still alive somewhere. There was NO official of ANY authority speaking directly in this film. No ranger, no park executive, no cop, NOTHING! Just a wacky “coroner” , a couple of “bush piolots” and some nature types. I think Tim Treadwell will emerge someday………. as a post-op transexual.

  83. Comment by Ian on January 16, 2006 1:18 am

    While watching this movie with a friend, after much anticipation, it quickly became obvious that this was a mockumentory. Sure this guy caught a few minutes of footage over the 13 years he was out there, but everything from the actor “friends” to his constant presentable appearance, to the language he uses and his reaction to various situations that arise all strongly suggest this was a fake documentary that went fatally wrong (or perhaps, right).

  84. Comment by Ian on January 16, 2006 1:54 am

    You might have a point Ben. i kinda thought the same thing myself, but it’s just too likely that this guy was killed after messing with just one too many cubs with mother off to camera left.
    If you need any more convincing about the authenticity of this movie consider that it’s a movie about a guy developing relationships with wild bears over 13 years. I guess the early footage wasn’t as interesting as the footage with the foxes, or maybe he just didn’t have a camera back then?? Either way all the footage of him with the bears is recent and you can tell he doesn’t age 13yrs.
    I’m no sicko, but I don’t think I would have been half as interested in this film if he hadn’t been killed. Think about it.

  85. Comment by Ian on January 16, 2006 2:09 am

    Larry wrote:

    Larry
    January 8th, 2006 20:21
    62

    I was quite amazed by this movie for different reasons. The footage of Tim and the bears was incredible, regardless of your opinion of Tim. What he was able to accomplish in terms of interacting with these powerful and dangerous animals is nothing less then remarkable.

    Yes, quite remarkable. But the reasone we don’t see filming like this typically is because the price for the footage is too high.

  86. Comment by Donny on January 16, 2006 9:19 am

    I think Tim was a good man and I admire him for his work.The poeple who put together this movies wanted Tim to look foolish. Did anyone actually see the bear kill Tim. oh yes the famous audio tape that no one has heard. What experince videographer would walk out of the tent without first taking off the cap. What videogrpher who knew any minute could be the best footage of his life would put his camera away and leave only six minutes of film left on the tape? I say Tim and his girl friend was killed and someone wants to cover it up. They said that he had 100 hours of film. Lets watch all of it and see what it shows before we make an opion on how crazy he was.Think about it. Do you think they actualy showed us his best footage out of 100 hours worth.

  87. Comment by Howard on January 16, 2006 10:28 pm

    Just a quick note to say I watched the film and found it interesting, but slow. It does not deserve all the oscar nominations. I feel bad that Tim was killed by what he tried to protect, but he knew the risks.

    An intersting story about a mans fight and death. Thanks Tim and sorry things ended up the way they did.

  88. Comment by Jeff on January 18, 2006 11:28 am

    We had an activist back in Northern Manitoba that used to follow moose hunters to scare the moose away before they got shot. The moose thanked him by impaling him with an antler. This fellow, like Tredwell, also believed he had a special friendship bond with wild animals.

    Just another bottom-end activist, brainwashed beyond reality by the very rich-at-the-top Sierra Club. Keep up the donations so the executives can continue to live in their mansions, drive their Range Rovers and vacation on your hard earned money all over the world, under the guise of being the planet’s saviors.

  89. Comment by anna on January 18, 2006 3:28 pm

    The tape was originally released by the park service, then the “widow” filed an injunction w/the courts “cease & desist” to get it back and prevent it being played any more.

  90. Comment by Donny on January 19, 2006 8:14 am

    I would rather be around a man like Timothy than half the people a have heard from on this site. But I still believe that there is more to the story than we have been told. None of it makes sense. The park says no one has been attack for over 25 years and all of a sudden they had to shoot 2 bears because they where under attack. Come on people, I can’t believe all of you can be miss led so easily. If you where all under the age of 5 I could understand. They claimed that no one was poaching but after Timothy death their have been 5 recorded poaching. But everyone said he was crazy saying that he new of people poaching. All I’m saying is just weigh the facts at hand and think about it.

  91. Comment by God on January 21, 2006 4:27 am

    I want to say that tim was a good deasent man and a wacko so everyone is right but thats not important whats important is for me to hear the tape abd see autopsy photos for some closure because that movie left me hanging i waited 2 hours and didnt even see the death so someon please leak it on the internet or post a site directing me to a place that i can see his death
    thanx
    God

  92. Comment by Mike W. on January 21, 2006 7:20 am

    I can’t believe there exist people who are actually commending a lunatic,romanticising poor, little Timmy when they should be cringing in embarassment for him. I doubt there are few people as uneducated as Timmy and his girlfriend were of bears. There are several scenes in which a bear has his ears drawn back, or can be seen rocking side to side, two very serious signs of agitation to which neither Timmy nor his GF are even slightly attuned. And they’re not grizzlies, they’re Alaskan brown bears. Don’t lament over Timmy, and certainly don’t hail him a hero - he’s a showman, a miseducated man more dangerous to others than himself as proven by anyone who thinks Timmy was even half right.

  93. Comment by namie on January 21, 2006 2:57 pm

    Timothy…I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU…I LOVE YOU
    THANKS FOR GETTING THIS FILM TO THE PEOPLE WERNER.

  94. Comment by ruby on January 22, 2006 4:55 pm

    This man of the age, timmy boy as we call him wanted to make himself a movie wwovy, big deal you squeal! They werener going to let him werent they? He wanted to be eaten by a bear end of movie.

  95. Comment by Larry on January 23, 2006 4:47 pm

    All the negative comments about this man, his life. and death demonstrate the American lack-of-value system. Those making these comments have no respect for the Earth, other humans, or animal life on this planet. It would require humility and a level of intellect that they are unlikely to demonstrate. The Bears wouldn’t likely have tolerated them. Treadwell demonstrated more masculinity than they can comprehend. Violence is all they know and how they guage their masculinity. It takes more than a gun and violent behaviour to be a man. Treadwell lived and died demonstrating a reverence for this Earth and those animals, and a humane quality that was far superior to the typical maladjusted, ego-centric male. I’d been proud to call him a friend!

  96. Comment by pete on January 25, 2006 3:45 am

    TO ALL YOU BUNNY HUGGIN SOCIAL MISFITS…GET A CLUE! MOST OF US THAT LIVE HERE(ALASKA) ARE SADDENED THE MOST AT THE LOSS OF THE BEARS! WE HAVE TIMOTHY TREADWELL TO THANK FOR THAT. I HAVE MET A FEW OF THOSE MAJESTIC ANIMALS ON THE TRAIL AND TRUST ME, ALL OF US THAT SPEND ANY TIME IN THE WOODS HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THEM AND GIVE THEM A WIDE BERTH, ARMED OR NOT! CALL ME CHICKEN ALL YOU WANT, BUT I CERTAINLY CARRY A FIREARM. PRIMARILY FOR THE TWO LEGGED BEAST’S AS WELL AS THE 4 LEGGED ONES. TO ALL YOU NATIONWIDE ANIMAL LOBBYISTS, GOOD LUCK WITH COMING TO ALASKA AND ATTEMPTING WHAT TIMOTHY DID. WE MAY BE SCOOPING UP YOUR BODY(OR WHATS LEFT)IN MATCHING GARBAGE BAGS TOO. UNFORTUNATELY, MOST ON THIS WEBSITE THAT THINK TIMOTHY WAS A HERO, WHAT ABOUT THE BEARS HE KILLED(YES THERE WAS 2)? HE MAY AS WELL PULLED THE TRIGGER HIMSELF! IF IT WASN’T FOR HIM, THEY WOULD HAVE DIED FROM NATURAL SELECTION. AS FOR HIS VALUE’S? WHAT ABOUT PROTECTING YOUR LOVED ONES, IN THIS CASE HIS GIRLFRIEND. WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE TO SUBJECT YOUR LOVED ONES TO THIS DANGER. OH, AND BY THE WAY, HE WAS SOOOOO BRAVE TO JUMP OUT OF THE BUSH’S AND SCARE OFF THOSE POACHERS(WITH CAMERAS)NICE! ALL HE DID WAS ENDANGER THE NEXT INNOCENT PERSON BY PROVIDING INACCURATE AND DANGEROUS INFORMATION. OH WELL, MOST OF YOU PROBABLY TASTE LIKE “CHICKEN” ANYWAY!!!

  97. Comment by Jesse on January 26, 2006 8:20 am

    It may be true that he indeed did more harm than good, But the fact remains that he DID do something that
    A. No one else would DREAM of doing and
    B. He did educate people about bears and the fact that even if you love and want to protect wild animals, they still need to hibernate. And yes indeed he was killed by other bears that he would normaly wouldn’t have even met. these bears wondered into that territory because they were out for last minute food before they went into hibernation. Unfortunatly I don’t think he realized that there was a serious danger with “outcast” Bears. I think it is important to also remember that NO ONE had formal training of ANYTHING before some crazy guy on his last leg decided that they wanted to know enough about the subject that it didn’t matter if they died in the prosses as long as they satisfied their curosity. Thankfully people like Timmy do decide to treck out and experiance LIFE so people like us can know that there is a world out there beyond our daily routines and meaningless existances. He may have gotten many wild animals on his adventures to used to people, but that is something that has been happening since cave man days. What are YOU interested in? I bet whatever it is, it will never give you the satisfaction Tim experianced for 13 years.

  98. Comment by me on January 28, 2006 4:22 am

    i think that the whole movie was a hoax. tim was or is the weirdest person in the world. some parts i had to laugh at. watching the way the people were being interviewed was like watching Waiting for Guffman or Best in Show. this guy was a total weirdo.

  99. Comment by Matt on January 28, 2006 1:33 pm

    I am a new visitor to this site here and was just curious, is there anywhere to go to hear the audio from the attack on Timothy and Amy, or did the tape get destroyed as mentioned in the film?

  100. Comment by Balls on January 29, 2006 12:12 am

    Just finished the film…this dude was a hoot. Not sure about the accusations that this film was a hoax…I have seen the pictures and heard the tape…very authentic. Check http://www.bearguts.com for more details.

  101. Comment by Tperks on January 29, 2006 3:35 am

    I enjoyed Grizzly Man very much and admire the courage that Timothy Treadwell displayed in this documentary. However, he made a critical mistake by remaining in the Grizzly Maze too late in the season.

    I was bothered by comments made by “Bubba Bob.” Just because a person makes a negative comment about Treadwell does not make them a “hillbilly.” I’m from appalachia (and am what you might call a hillbilly) and have a great appreciation for bears and other wildlife. Don’t be prejudiced toward me because of others comments. I’m sure many of the naysayers live in large cities. There are plenty of ignorant people in Los Angeles and New York City; they are not confined to more rural areas! Oh, by the way, most gun owners don’t shoot themselves. The ones I have met have great respect for guns and handle them very carefully. One more thing the bearguts website is bullshit! There’s no audio there.

  102. Comment by mjt on January 29, 2006 2:06 pm

    after watching the movie last night i could hardly take my eyes off the screen except to make another drink,but the fascination reminded me a little of the series faces of death, tims approach to nature was somewhat child like the movie made him seem like mister rogers on crack at times , not so much focused but more like obsessed. he must have known something about bears to have survived 13 seasons but his main fault was trying to include the bears into his world.

  103. Comment by BLAIR on January 29, 2006 6:27 pm

    JUST FINISHED THE MOVIE LAST NIGHT. IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST TOUCHING FILMS IVE SEEN. ALCOHOL AND DRUG ADDICTION IS HARD. NO ONE KNOWS HOW HARD UNLESS THEYVE BEEN THROUGH IT. TIMOTHY FOUND SOMTHING THAT KEPT HIM FROM THESE SOUL DESTROYING ADDICTIONS. IT GAVE HIM JOY AND BLISS FOR 13 YEARS. I BELIEVE HE KNEW HIS FATE TO DIE IN THE WOODS WITH HIS BEARS. APPARENTLY HE DIDNT MIND TOO MUCH. FOR THE PEOPLE CALLING HIM STUPID FOR LIVING DYING IN SUCH A WAY- THERE IS PLENTY OF VIOLENCE, RAPE, TORTURE, WAR, CHILD PORN ETC ETC IN OUR “CIVILIZED” WORLD. SO WE ALL MUST BE DUMB LUNATICS TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THIS VIOLENT AND DISGUSTING ENVIORNMENT. WE SHOULD BE SO LUCKY TO LIVE AND DIE IN A WORLD THAT BRINGS US BLISS. PLENTY OF THE FOLKS POSTING IN HERE HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS (OBVIOUSLY)- BUT I BET THEY DO NOT EXPERIENCE JOY AND BLISS WITH THERE PATHETIC LIVES OF CABLE TV AND FAST FOOD.I ENVY TIMOTHY FOR LIVING HIS LIFE ON HIS OWN TERMS, NOT THE TERMS DICTATED TO US BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA, AND SHEEP LIKE “CROWD FOLLOWING” AND “GOING WITH THE FLOW”. TIMOTHY LEARNED THE TRUE MEANING OF FREEDOM, FREEDOM THAT IS ALMOST NON EXISTANT IN OUR MODERN SOCIETY. **I COMMEND TIMOTHY AND THE POWER TO THINK FOR HIMSELF**

  104. Comment by Rich on January 31, 2006 3:12 pm

    Hey,

    Just watched the movie last night and I just could not agree more that Treadwell was a complete moron.

    In addition, i agree with a quote by Ian posted on jan 16th - if he didn’t end up the way that he did, Tim would still be an unknown. I would have never ever even considered renting this flick if not for the curiosity of knowing how this jerk ended up being eaten alive….

    In anycase, a note to you all, animals are best viewed either on TV or at a zoo. leave the wildlife filming to the professionals. Oh, and another piece of advice - take a weapon with you if you ever feel like portraying “Brave Heart” !

  105. Comment by Caso on February 1, 2006 2:35 pm

    I didn’t like the way that Treadwell dealt with the bears, because any wild animal should not be treated like a human being, they are WILD animals. I think the important thing in all of this is what is the message that Treadwell left for everyone. He choose the way to live and probably the way to die, but what is going to happened in the future?. We already know that a couple was also mauled by a grizzly in another National Park, because they left a trial and went into the thick bush, because they wanted to experience what they called the “Tim’s way”, so hopefully Treadwell fate will leave a message about that wild animals should be treated with respect and it doesn’t matter how “good” you are with them, if you don’t understand their natural behavior you’ll be in trouble

    I’m myself a wildlife scientist and have studied carnivores in Africa. And many nights, at camp, I’ve heard out of my tent, lions, leopards, or elephants. The feeling of being so vulnerable its scary, but using your common sense and not doing any stupid things with this wild creatures may keep you alive.

  106. Comment by Pookiebear on February 2, 2006 6:14 pm

    Folks, Timothy Dexter has left the building – and he did not tread well nor ‘go gently into that good [dark] night…’

    Despite his transformed guts, he was the wrong man in the wrong place, and desperately, at the wrong time. Fortitude, misplaced passion (perhaps genuine in his own mind), misguided altruism – and a good case for bi-polar disorder – can only take a person so far. Without considerable biological/scientific knowledge/training – and eschewing common sense – Tim Treadwell’s experiences among his beloved Ursus arctos horribilis [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear] were, ultimately, doomed to limited time, despite his so-called valiant efforts to save bears from poaching; not that that was his first order of business (undetermined to date)…a matter for speculation, considering the facts, not tribulation (beware, or, bearaware, whichever applies). He reminds me of a baby duck: fragile, beautiful, with wing-ed possibilities but ignorant of dangers ahead.

    There exists a natural order among living creatures, as designed [deigned] by the Creator, for a reason – we rule kingdoms credited to us for that domain (taxonomically speaking). The divisions of order (not man-made, despite your pre-conceptions) presuppose literal transgressions, human or non, else why the division? Once borders are crossed, the possibility of conflict ensues – sometimes, irreconcilably (by virtue of loss of life, at the extreme example), according to the governing laws of that order (pre-established).

    The chances are good, Timothy [Treadwell, or –less] could no more have prevented his demise than our afformentioned duckling on a railroad track with the Santa Fe Super Chief inexhorably bearing down on it (unintended pun). The duckling is going about it’s own pre-conceived business, crossing the tracks from the pond on one side, to the pond on the other because it’s naturally curious about a new environment. Ignorant, malleable, crossing unknown borders – and with tragic, and completely natural results, despite the fact it has survived multitudes of disasters since birth (predatory foxes, eagles, hawks, coyotes, etc – hey, a few in the flock survive).

    The lessons are keenly obvious: we love the ignorant duckling, and weep for it’s end in nature – but the ‘rules’ are clear: 1) listen to your mother, 2) don’t wander off from the flock, 3) look in both (all) directions, 4) listen for danger and pay heed, 5) it’s ok to have ideas of your own – but consider them in context of the ‘ORDER.’

    The very sad fact of all this [please excuse me] bears repeating: the 2nd duckling, following it’s sibling out of ignorance and curiosity, was also flattened by the Sante Fe Super Chief…

    Laws of Order prevail – and will continue to do so to the end of this planet, regardless of whether the ducklings are curious, funded – or loved.

  107. Comment by Pookiebear on February 2, 2006 6:46 pm

    …and regardless of the Super Chief’s schedule; established and published by the Scheduler - sometimes read by the public.

  108. Comment by Joel on February 3, 2006 11:24 pm

    Ok, Seriously he was a pussy cause I lived in Alaska for 8 yrs, and know bears pretty well and how to deal with them since my dad was a bush pilot, and I could deff. take one with my bare hands and a knife..which he had to have. I saw him once while I there and everyone from there was laughing saying he was an idiot.. Ok when people that are from there are calling u an idiot…THERE S A REASON lmao….anyways he should have grown some and killed it with his BARE HANDS …like me

    If u’d like to comment or bitch to me about my comment you can aim me at - Hopeduponq cause I LOVE confrontation.. =D

  109. Comment by Haley on February 4, 2006 12:39 am

    Quickly I want to say in response to a post about how the only reason we know about wildlife is because someone with Tim’s personality went into the wild and figured it out and was able to tell the rest of us. That person is an idiot. The people who truely study animals study by observation, the act of interacting/interfering with the animals causes them to act in an unnatural way. Tim was not out there to study the bears as he sometimes claimed, and he most definately was not there to protect them.
    Someone stated how there have been 5 poachings since the movie… those were not done where Tim was doing his “protecting”. He was in a national wildlife refuge, the only shots ever taken at a bear was with a camera.

    Lastly: My theory of his death being FAKED

    How strange is it that the camera was recording without the lens cover taken off? How strange is it that the only identifiable thing was the wristwatch that was left on an untouched, dismembered forearm? Other than the watch the only thing to ID him was the coroner’s reports of dental matches. The coroner was either paid off or a wack job (which seems likely as well). As stated earlier, he would be a nobody unless he died, and so being as selfish as he was, he faked it.
    He most likely had one of his, all too often, psychotic breaks and killed a tourist who had come to take pictures of the natural beauty, but he thought was poacher. The second body most likely was his girlfriends, whom he killed because she was going to leave him.
    It is also s