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		<title>Communities Are As Communities Do</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casey Bisson</dc:creator>
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Right there are the beginning of Esther Dyson&#8217;s ten-year-old book, Release 2.1, she alerts us to the Web 2.0 challenge we&#8217;re we&#8217;re now beginning to understand:
The challenge for us all is to build a critical mass of healthy communities on the Net and to design good basic rules for its public spaces so that larger [...]]]></description>
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<p>Right there are the beginning of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Dyson" title="Esther Dyson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia">Esther Dyson</a>&#8217;s ten-year-old book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Release-2-1-Esther-Dyson/dp/076790012X?tag=maisonbisson-20" title="Amazon.com: Release 2.1: Books: Esther Dyson">Release 2.1</a>, she alerts us to the Web 2.0 challenge we&#8217;re we&#8217;re now beginning to understand:</p>
<blockquote><p>The challenge for us all is to build a critical mass of healthy communities on the Net and to design good basic rules for its public spaces so that larger systems do self-organize and work effectively. Rule-making is not the job of legislatures and governments alone. You can make your own rules by designing an online service &#8212; or by setting up procedures in your workplace. Anyone you offers a service or product, anyone who votes in a PTA or discusses corporate policy with her boss, is a rule-maker. What will make this world a better place for you and your children (or friends) to live in? It&#8217;s up to you to figure it out and to make it happen.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is, the communities are real, and they&#8217;re self organizing and policing, but do we yet understand them? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surely not the only one who smiles kindly and feels bad for those who <a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10995/">look for some authority to “fix” Wikipedia</a>, but take a look at the arguments about <a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/">what is or is not offensive in Flickr</a> and we find it: that&#8217;s a community struggling with the Dyson&#8217;s challenge. That&#8217;s the struggle that makes <a href="http://flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/">Flickr&#8217;s</a> status as a community undeniable.</p>
<p><tags>challenge, communities, community, esther dyson, release 2.0, release 2.1, web 2.0, web20</tags></p>
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		<title>Who&#8217;s Afraid Of Wikipedia?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casey Bisson</dc:creator>
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Arguments about Wikipedia&#8217;s value and authority will rage for quite a while, but it&#8217;s interesting to see where the lines are being drawn.
On the one had we&#8217;ve got a 12 year-old pointing out errors in Encyclopaedia Britannica (via Many2Many) and now on the other side we&#8217;ve got John Seigenthaler, a former editorial page editor at [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10444/">Arguments about</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia</a>&#8217;s value and authority will rage for quite a while, but it&#8217;s interesting to see where the lines are being drawn.</p>
<p>On the one had we&#8217;ve got a 12 year-old pointing out <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1456119,00.html">errors in Encyclopaedia Britannica</a> (via <a href="http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2005/01/26/britannica_not_so_great_on_the_fact_checking_department_after_all.php">Many2Many</a>) and now on the other side we&#8217;ve got <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr.">John Seigenthaler</a>, a former editorial page editor at USA Today, <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20051130/oplede17.art.htm">piping mad</a> about some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr.#Later_life">libelous content</a> in his Wikipedia biography page.</p>
<p>Now, I have to agree with Seigenthaler in as much as I would never want anybody to make such claims against me, and I&#8217;d probably consider my legal options in such a matter, but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the only one who gets a chuckle over the matter. I mean Seigenthaler is the founder of <a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?item=about_fac">The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center</a> at Vanderbilt University, after all.</p>
<p>It all <a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10933/">sounds the same</a> as the <a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/1114/128_print.html">Attack of the Blogs</a> story in November issue of Forbes Magazine. That story began ominously:</p>
<blockquote><p>Web logs are the prized platform of an online lynch mob spouting liberty but spewing lies, libel and invective. Their potent allies in this pursuit include Google and Yahoo.</p></blockquote>
<p>But Forbes and Seigenthaler both conveniently ignore the fact that lies, libel and invective are common in other, <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004105.php">older media</a>. And Seigenthaler should know well the limitations of editorial authority over the millions of words published by hundreds of writers in a newspaper every day. Mistakes are made, and yes, counterfactual material is often slipped in. (Sadly, it&#8217;s also worth noting that real lynch mobs of the post-reconstruction South often enjoyed the support of their local newspapers.)</p>
<p>And unlike those old media, corrections are easy and quick, and in context with the original information. Take a look at how <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr.#Later_life">the Wikipedia entry</a> addresses Seigenthaler&#8217;s complaints as an example.</p>
<p>Yes, the decision structure around these social applications is different from old media, but that doesn&#8217;t make it any more wrong or bad or dangerous. It is, perhaps, a comment on the obscurity of Seigenthaler&#8217;s biography that it went uncorrected for four months, but it&#8217;s also a comment on how responsive the system is that accommodated Seig&#8217;s corrections so quickly. Now, imagine how much Seigenthaler could contribute to Wikipedia. Imagine how much richer our online community could be with his participation?</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what Seigenthaler and the Forbes article miss: the blogosphere and Wikipedia are built by those show up to the game. People and companies who ignore it do so at the peril, but there are many examples of success for those who participate.</p>
<p><tags>wikipedia, wiki, social, social software, community, communities, moderation, editor, editorial control, Seigenthaler , John Seigenthaler, usa today, editorial, opinion, slander, libel, blog, blogs, bloggers, forbes, fear, findability, google economy</tags></p>
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		<title>Collective Intelligence: Wisdom Of The Crowds</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10968/collective-intelligence-wisdom-of-the-crowds/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casey Bisson</dc:creator>
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I&#8217;m here at NEASIS&#38;T&#8217;s “Social Software, Libraries, and the Communities that (could) Sustain Them” event, presented by Steven Cohen.
He&#8217;s suggesting we read James Surowiecki&#8217;s The Wisdom of Crowds.
Surowiecki first developed his ideas for Wisdom of Crowds in his “Financial Page” column of The New Yorker. Many critics found his premise to be an interesting twist [...]]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385503865/ref=maisonbisson-20/" title="The Wisdom of Crowds, at Amazon.com."><img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0385503865.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg" alt="The wisdom of the crowds." width="93" height="140" style="float: right; background-color: #ffffff; border: solid 2px #000000; margin: 0px 0px 8px 8px; padding: 0px;" /></a>I&#8217;m here at <a href="http://www.neasist.org/events/?p=63">NEASIS&#38;T&#8217;s</a> “<a href="http://stevenmcohen.pbwiki.com/OnlineCommunities">Social Software, Libraries, and the Communities that (could) Sustain Them</a>” event, presented by <a href="http://www.librarystuff.net/">Steven Cohen</a>.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s suggesting we read James Surowiecki&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385503865/ref=maisonbisson-20">The Wisdom of Crowds</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Surowiecki first developed his ideas for Wisdom of Crowds in his “Financial Page” column of The New Yorker. Many critics found his premise to be an interesting twist on the long held notion that Americans generally question the masses and eschew groupthink. “A socialist might draw some optimistic conclusions from all of this,” wrote The New York Times. “But Surowiecki’s framework is decidedly capitalist.” Some reviewers felt that the academic language and business speak decreased the impact of the argument. Still, it’s a thought-provoking, timely book: <strong>the TV studio audience of </strong><strong><em>Who Wants to Be a Millionaire</em></strong><strong> guesses correctly 91 percent of the time, compared to “experts” who guess only 65 percent correctly. Keep up the good work, comrades.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>(emphasis added)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the bolded text quoted before, and I&#8217;ve been quoting it myself a lot. I guess I&#8217;ve got to <a href="http://lola.plymouth.edu/search/?searchtype=.&amp;searcharg=b1332290">go find it</a>.<br />
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