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	<title>Comments on: Native To Web &#38; The Future Of Web Apps</title>
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	<description>A bunch of stuff I would have emailed you about.</description>
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		<title>By: Scriblio &#187; Search Engines, Durable URLs, Discussions, And Library Catalogs</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11178/native-to-web-the-future-of-web-apps/#comment-182973</link>
		<dc:creator>Scriblio &#187; Search Engines, Durable URLs, Discussions, And Library Catalogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reliable, and hackable URLs are among my favorite things ever, and not just because Tom Coates says they&#8217;re cool. I like them because they make the internet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reliable, and hackable URLs are among my favorite things ever, and not just because Tom Coates says they&#8217;re cool. I like them because they make the internet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WPopac &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Search Engines, Durable URLs, Discussions, And Library Catalogs</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11178/native-to-web-the-future-of-web-apps/#comment-57135</link>
		<dc:creator>WPopac &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Search Engines, Durable URLs, Discussions, And Library Catalogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Readable, reliable, and hackable URLs are among my favorite things ever, and not just because Tom Coates says they&#8217;re cool. I like them because they make the internet work. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Readable, reliable, and hackable URLs are among my favorite things ever, and not just because Tom Coates says they&#8217;re cool. I like them because they make the internet work. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11178/native-to-web-the-future-of-web-apps/#comment-33509</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross, 

I'm not sure how I feel about being typecast as the anti-SRU guy, but your points are valid.

I'll quickly agree that the challenge of making openurl readable is probably insoluble, but let's at least make the URLs in our apps durable enough to be bookmarkable, blogable, IMable, emailable, and indexable (so it's Googleable(?)).

Now back to "standards..." The' slides are good, but they don't speak to your first point about priority and reinvention. What Coates couldn't say, because the decision was made far above his head, was that successful organizations know when to change their game. Yahoo!'s acquisition of so many internet properties (and Coates himself) in the past year shows they know this.

What would we think of Yahoo! if they'd stuck to their old game? Would we respect them for claiming they did internet portals first? Would we care?

We need to think critically about our standards. MARC and SRU and others we love (and love to hate) may have been first, but there are substantially similar standards in broader use outside libraries.

&lt;tags&gt;counterpoint, marc, sru, who moved my cheese, yahoo!&lt;/tags&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how I feel about being typecast as the anti-SRU guy, but your points are valid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll quickly agree that the challenge of making openurl readable is probably insoluble, but let&#8217;s at least make the URLs in our apps durable enough to be bookmarkable, blogable, IMable, emailable, and indexable (so it&#8217;s Googleable(?)).</p>
<p>Now back to &#8220;standards&#8230;&#8221; The&#8217; slides are good, but they don&#8217;t speak to your first point about priority and reinvention. What Coates couldn&#8217;t say, because the decision was made far above his head, was that successful organizations know when to change their game. Yahoo!&#8217;s acquisition of so many internet properties (and Coates himself) in the past year shows they know this.</p>
<p>What would we think of Yahoo! if they&#8217;d stuck to their old game? Would we respect them for claiming they did internet portals first? Would we care?</p>
<p>We need to think critically about our standards. MARC and SRU and others we love (and love to hate) may have been first, but there are substantially similar standards in broader use outside libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11178/native-to-web-the-future-of-web-apps/#comment-33505</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be fair... MARC/MODS and SRU aren't really reinventing the wheel.  Amazon reinvented the wheel (regardless of whether or not they were more successful at it).  All of those technologies existed before their AWS counterpart.

However, point #5 is much more difficult than just /item/isbn/1234567890x in most real world scenarios.

Take articles for instance.  Yes, some may have standard identifiers (dois, pmids, etc.), but many, many do not.  And the doi isn't even that friendly, anyway.

As I struggle to make a link resolver that "works better", I'm still finding it nigh-on-impossible to improve on the readability of the openurl (and still actually be able to resolve anything).

I'm not sure #5 is ultimately all that important (although, yes, containing all of the information in a hash or behind session identifiers is wrong -- and maybe what you're actually getting at).[tags]standards, rebuttal[/tags]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be fair&#8230; MARC/MODS and SRU aren&#8217;t really reinventing the wheel.  Amazon reinvented the wheel (regardless of whether or not they were more successful at it).  All of those technologies existed before their AWS counterpart.</p>
<p>However, point #5 is much more difficult than just /item/isbn/1234567890x in most real world scenarios.</p>
<p>Take articles for instance.  Yes, some may have standard identifiers (dois, pmids, etc.), but many, many do not.  And the doi isn&#8217;t even that friendly, anyway.</p>
<p>As I struggle to make a link resolver that &#8220;works better&#8221;, I&#8217;m still finding it nigh-on-impossible to improve on the readability of the openurl (and still actually be able to resolve anything).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure #5 is ultimately all that important (although, yes, containing all of the information in a hash or behind session identifiers is wrong &#8212; and maybe what you&#8217;re actually getting at).</p>
<p>[tags]standards, rebuttal[/tags]</p>
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