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	<title>Comments on: The Perils Of Flickr&#8217;s “May Offend” Button</title>
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	<description>A bunch of stuff I would have emailed you about.</description>
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		<title>By: Communities Are As Communities Do &#171; MaisonBisson.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Communities Are As Communities Do &#171; MaisonBisson.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those who look for some authority to â€œfixâ€ Wikipedia, but take a look at the arguments about what is or is not offensive in Flickr and we find it: that&#8217;s a community struggling with the Dyson&#8217;s challenge. That&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those who look for some authority to â€œfixâ€ Wikipedia, but take a look at the arguments about what is or is not offensive in Flickr and we find it: that&#8217;s a community struggling with the Dyson&#8217;s challenge. That&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Bisson</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/flickr-censorship-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-63255</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Bisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/#comment-63174&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;T/FyButtafly&lt;/a&gt;:

You&#039;re right, I had misattributed the start of the thread to you. I&#039;ve corrected the story above, please accept my apologies.

That said, you did quickly join the conversation, &lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/forums/ideas/4119/20651/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saying&lt;/a&gt; &quot;I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one that feels this is an important issue.&quot; And, in my opinion, the discussion wouldn&#039;t have been as rich or instructive without your contributions.

Those who read the four pages of the thread will eventually get to the discussion about personal settings and more complex filtering. The story above leans heavily on the early stages of that discussion, which still centered on the existing &quot;may offend&quot; button and the difficulty of deciding what is offensive in a community as globally diverse as Flickr&#039;s. What you seem to ignore in your response here, however, is the legitimate criticism that a larger censorship mechanism such as you suggested could be &quot;gamed&quot; to illegitimately censor any type of content.

It&#039;s worth noting that one of the reasons this story had been sitting as a draft for the past year and a half is that I don&#039;t have any good answers about how to both preserve free speech and keep Flickr from becoming a porn-dump. And while we disagree about what is or isn&#039;t offensive, I very much value the community of Flickr users.

What I do know, and it&#039;s the point I was trying to make, is that more often than not, the majority of Americans have upheld our First Amendment right to free speech, rather than countenance censorship. And in the long run, it&#039;s discussions like this that shape and enrich our communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/#comment-63174" rel="nofollow">T/FyButtafly</a>:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I had misattributed the start of the thread to you. I&#8217;ve corrected the story above, please accept my apologies.</p>
<p>That said, you did quickly join the conversation, <a href="http://flickr.com/forums/ideas/4119/20651/" rel="nofollow">saying</a> &#8220;I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one that feels this is an important issue.&#8221; And, in my opinion, the discussion wouldn&#8217;t have been as rich or instructive without your contributions.</p>
<p>Those who read the four pages of the thread will eventually get to the discussion about personal settings and more complex filtering. The story above leans heavily on the early stages of that discussion, which still centered on the existing &#8220;may offend&#8221; button and the difficulty of deciding what is offensive in a community as globally diverse as Flickr&#8217;s. What you seem to ignore in your response here, however, is the legitimate criticism that a larger censorship mechanism such as you suggested could be &#8220;gamed&#8221; to illegitimately censor any type of content.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that one of the reasons this story had been sitting as a draft for the past year and a half is that I don&#8217;t have any good answers about how to both preserve free speech and keep Flickr from becoming a porn-dump. And while we disagree about what is or isn&#8217;t offensive, I very much value the community of Flickr users.</p>
<p>What I do know, and it&#8217;s the point I was trying to make, is that more often than not, the majority of Americans have upheld our First Amendment right to free speech, rather than countenance censorship. And in the long run, it&#8217;s discussions like this that shape and enrich our communities.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/flickr-censorship-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-63174</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite interesting that this has come up after such a long time. First of all - I feel I am being greatly misrepresented in the slight excerpts taken from an extremely long in-depth topic. To make it seem like I am the one who started this topic to begin with is flat-out misrepresentation.

There&#039;s not much I can say to this - it was a long time ago, and there were many heated arguments thrown around on all sides. However some of those that I argued with most vehemently waaaaayyyy back then have become good friends of mine (as far as flickr friendships go).

The biggest point I tried to make in that entire thread - that kept being pulled off-topic by people trying to get into arguments about morality (always attacking mine) and what-not, was that we should have a personalized way of filtering out content rather than just a &quot;may offend&quot; button. And I am hardly the first or last to bring up that subject, nor am I the only one who subscribes to my view of what constitutes pornography. The definition of &quot;art&quot; and &quot;porn&quot; may be subjective to some, but that doesn&#039;t detract from the ulitmate point that people should have more choice on flickr in what to block from their view.

I just can&#039;t believe that after all this time I&#039;m finding this being brought up. What a wonderful thing the internet is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite interesting that this has come up after such a long time. First of all &#8211; I feel I am being greatly misrepresented in the slight excerpts taken from an extremely long in-depth topic. To make it seem like I am the one who started this topic to begin with is flat-out misrepresentation.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not much I can say to this &#8211; it was a long time ago, and there were many heated arguments thrown around on all sides. However some of those that I argued with most vehemently waaaaayyyy back then have become good friends of mine (as far as flickr friendships go).</p>
<p>The biggest point I tried to make in that entire thread &#8211; that kept being pulled off-topic by people trying to get into arguments about morality (always attacking mine) and what-not, was that we should have a personalized way of filtering out content rather than just a &#8220;may offend&#8221; button. And I am hardly the first or last to bring up that subject, nor am I the only one who subscribes to my view of what constitutes pornography. The definition of &#8220;art&#8221; and &#8220;porn&#8221; may be subjective to some, but that doesn&#8217;t detract from the ulitmate point that people should have more choice on flickr in what to block from their view.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t believe that after all this time I&#8217;m finding this being brought up. What a wonderful thing the internet is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: No Sheep &#187; Comic Book Art Mashups</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/flickr-censorship-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-62926</link>
		<dc:creator>No Sheep &#187; Comic Book Art Mashups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (On a side note, the above image and many that are linked, contain full frontal nudity, but I can&#8217;t imagine they are offensive or pornographic&#8230;) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (On a side note, the above image and many that are linked, contain full frontal nudity, but I can&#8217;t imagine they are offensive or pornographic&#8230;) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/flickr-censorship-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-62741</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long ago when this discussion was quite active you frequently ran this line of argument by me, I&#039;m sure to vent some exasperation you were feeling towards the whole ordeal.  This compilation of the discussion and its associated linking is brilliantly composed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long ago when this discussion was quite active you frequently ran this line of argument by me, I&#8217;m sure to vent some exasperation you were feeling towards the whole ordeal.  This compilation of the discussion and its associated linking is brilliantly composed.</p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
		<link>http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/10892/flickr-censorship-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-62725</link>
		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person wanting labels is about as badly informed as to U.S. law *and* norms as it&#039;s possible to get. Nudity has never equalled pornography (and pornography is legal in most circumstances), and the idea that vulgarity equals obscenity makes me want to use some vulgar language. The lack of ambiguity here is in the person&#039;s apparently b&amp;w mind...and, to be sure, the &quot;ratings systems&quot; aren&#039;t laws. Arggh. Good exposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person wanting labels is about as badly informed as to U.S. law *and* norms as it&#8217;s possible to get. Nudity has never equalled pornography (and pornography is legal in most circumstances), and the idea that vulgarity equals obscenity makes me want to use some vulgar language. The lack of ambiguity here is in the person&#8217;s apparently b&amp;w mind&#8230;and, to be sure, the &#8220;ratings systems&#8221; aren&#8217;t laws. Arggh. Good exposition.</p>
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