You cheap traffic chasing bastard … The other grizzly story died down so you decided you had to cash in on the traffic boom provided by grizzlies again. How low will you go?

WHEN WILL MAN REALIZE THE GIFT THAT IS GOD GIVEN, & INTENDED FOR US TO APPRECIATE NOT
CLAIM AS ARE OWN, IN ESSENCE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING, ON THE PRETEX OF SAVING THE BEARS. NO ONE IN THERE RIGHT MIND WOULD MAKE A CLAIM TO KNOW ALL ABOUT ANY BEAR!!! OR WILD ANIMAL!!

If someone has a gun pointed at you, you don’t tell them to shoot. If you do, you have accepted the consequences. My point being that he knew the consequences of his actions, and so I am sorry I do not offer the sympathy that may be deserving. I think is is like Herzog said; the man wasn’t playing with a full deck. You aint catchin me in hungry bear stompin grounds.

This guy harrased these bears to “save and protect” as well as exploit them, documenting them for his popularity. The real sad part is as a result of his intrusion, the bear killed him and then two Bears (one which killed him, bear number 141 and another) had to be killed

[...] Update: Grizzly Man, a new movie by Werner Herzog, is related only in theme. Here’s my vicarious Grizzly Man movie review. [...]

[...] David Edelstein’s review of Werner Herzog’s documentary, Grizzly Man, describes Timothy Treadwell as …a manic but lovable whack-job who doggedly filmed and obsessively idealized the bears that would ultimately eat him… [...]

Timothy Treadwell sacrificed everything he had in life, which sadly for such a kind soul wasn’t much, to help preserve these bear’s existance. Do not sit behind a computer screen to bark about accepting the consequences when the man already knew he was doing just that. He had a passion that was seemingly out of the world, and an impossible goal to reach, but he did it and I give him props for that.
If anyone is exploiting the grizzlies it’s Alaskan Park Services who don’t do shit to protect them from poachers who sell them to private buyers on the black market and museums who display them illegally. They allow poorly guided eco tourism that is harmful to the bears life. A man with a camera and a kind soul is not. It’s not like he played with them, and then tagged them. He studied them and got to know them for who and what they were to provide knowledge to those who knew nothing about them…for FREE.

Maybe you’re just jealous that you never followed your dreams, or grew up and stopped caring about what was really important in life.
Fot that reason, you have my sympathy, and so does Timothy.

August 23, 2005

I deemed neccessary an update from my earlier post since then having seen the movie. I found the movie very poignant in its ability to help one form an accurate opinion of Timothy. I started my quest to learn about Timothy Treadwell, and after seeing the movie I have to say it made so much more of an impression on me than I had ever thought it could, and I wouldn’t advise anyone to think they can really pass judgement on Timothy period…at least not till watching Herzog’s feature.

I just was Grizzly Man and all I can say is that this guy was a complete whacko. He was incredibly mentally unbalanced and had serious problems. He convinced himself that he was some sort of protector for these bears despite the fact that they were already in protected territory. At one point in the movie someone comes and starts throwing rocks at the bears. And what does the great bear protector do? He hides in the bushes and does nothing. Throughout the movie he did nothing to help the bears, he just got in the way of nature and as a result got himself and another eaten. Its hard to feel sorry for someone who repeatedly puts themselves in danger like that.

He did what he did, for whatever reasons he had and that was his choice. I just can’t respect the man for being totally responsible for aiding in the death of his girlfriend by convincing her to attempt the things he did. That is totally selfish. Anyone who thinks this man did anything for the grizzly are total followers of anything outlandish and could easily be talked into joining Treadwell to unwittingly pet the bears and die for no reason. Go die saving some child from a fire or from drowning. Then you’ve done something for people to talk about and remember.

You hit the nail on the head. This guy was dealing with a predator. All predators and animals in general, spend their entire lives doing only 3 things: resting, searching for food and having babies. When you are in close proximity to a predator, it see’s you as one of two catagories: something it can eat or feed it’s young, or something to challenge that wants to eat it. There is no room for friendship. That only happens in Hollywood’s special effects.

Kinda wondered why this film wasn’t called Dumbass or Eat Me Completely- I’m still wondering. I swear to God this would have been a great Ace Ventura movie - except for the GF getting eaten. The comments above for the most part are spot on. Personally I think the guy is a jerk for habituating bears to his presence - as a guide friend of mine says, “a habituated bear is a dead bear.” Having spent far more than 13 summers in bear country, I would have suggested that a can of “organic” pepper spray might have made a difference - although a bear that big might have just considered it seasoning - not sure. Look, one moral here is if you have issues like alcoholism or bedding chicks or whatever, stay home and get a good therapist - and maybe some reruns of Yogi and Booboo. By the way, those weren’t grizzlies, they were, I believe, Ursus Middendorfi. Anyway, great flick for kide as long as they can handle motherfucker, fuck you, assholes, stuff like that.

Tim was a another wacko California kid that he was saving the world from everyone except himself. Why these wacko “tree-hugger, animal- worshipers” that come from left-west coast think they are “self proclaimed experts” in whatever activist act they do. That is what Tim Tredwell did, and he found people to PAY him to do it! How did he afford to live in Alaska for 13 summers with no job? The food, the flights in and out? He conded a lot of people just like all those animal lovers! All cons. And the bears that killed him were not even grizzlies, they were brown bears! I’ve hunted bears and every animal that crawals and walks and flies. Wildlife was placed on this earth by God for man to eat and use it’s fur for clothing. Get over it! Bears are not pets and they are not your friends. Timothy named these bears cute little names like booboo and such trying to make them appear as cute little things. In his own words on the David Lettermen show he said that grizzlies were PARTY ANIMALS! Get real! What planet did he come from? I would love to know Timothy Tredwell’s entire backround! I would love to know his education, his “arrest record record” if any, drug abuse if any, his histroy in California that turned him into a bum that finally took his life and the life of his girlfriend? He got what he deserved, I am just very surprised it took so long! All that money that was raised for him to take his little vacations to play in Alaska, no real scientfic resereach at all, nothing learned excempt that sometimes it takes 13 summers to get your butt killed by bears! Anybody got a toothpick! What an idiot!

And what of Jane Goodall (spelling?). Or countless others who lived among the apes, r such creatures that are close to humans in genetics/DNA. It is so easy to scrutinize others who have the gall to go out there and study the animals So Tim may have been (as he has been called right here) a “wacko”, but in life and death he believed in what he was doing. Same as Jane, same as Timothy. Whatever he was doing, he was doing because he thought it was right. Nothing else and no one elses opinion can lessen that.

Dale, nice rant until you said, “Wildlife was placed on this earth by God for man to eat and use it’s fur for clothing.”

Animals are not to be exploited at will. Do you really need to wear fur?

one more thing…I can skip the fur but I agree that people need to eat.

For anyone who is interested in bears, this is a really good move to watch simply because of the incredible footage of them. However, I think that Timothy was trespassing in a place he shouldn’t have been. I myself am an animal-lover and I’m interested in animals, but Tim was only endangering more lives (his, his girlfriends’, and other bears) then he would if he had left them alone. He had somehow convinced himself then he was the ‘Great Protector of the Bears’, when really he wasn’t helping them at all, and was doing no more than excluding himself from reality.

There was one thing in particular that I disagreed about in this movie. Tim was so bent on ‘becoming’ a bear himself, living like them and with them, but he claimed that he would NEVER hurt or kill a bear. The truth is, bears themselves hurt and kill others for survival. If he wanted to live like one and survive, he needed to be willing to do the same.

He was so sad whenever he found a dead animal, bones, whatever. He pretended to know so much about animals and their lives though couldn’t realize that death is a part of it.

I can respect him a little bit because he followed his dream, but he went about it in a horrible way.

It’s hard for me to feel sympathy for him when he was asking for it so much. He basically walked out into a field and said, “Ok bears, here I am, do what you want with me.” He seemed quite willing to die, and though he claimed to be helping the bears, he didn’t care that he was hurting more than helping them.

He was very egotistical in that he claimed to know so much and understand them, more than any other human could ever imagine. He kept saying things like, “If you went out here, you would die! You could never survive.” Which is pretty much true, but he seemed to think that HE could survive. Well, obviously, he was wrong.

Anyway, the movie itself was interesting. Alot of things that Tim said, though, I can’t agree with.

TC,

Don’t want to wear fur because it kills animals? You’d rather wear nylon outfits that supports a massive oil exploitation and chemical manufacturing process that pollutes and kills more animals through destruction of animal habitat than hunting and trapping ever will? Then join your local animal rights group and support a massive multi-million dollar scam that benefits only those at the “top” and then get pumped full of all the mis-information and one-track brain washing your little head can handle, while your led to believe that your saving the planet.

I used to be one of those at the “top” until eventually I saw and learned what was really going on behind closed doors and how much support money was being filtered from the bottom to the “top” folks bank accounts and how the “top” is well connected and in bed with the oil and gas, mining, blue-box and landfill, real estate, government, global news and manufacturing industries. There is a really large “money industry” in fooling people to believe they’re doing the right thing for the planet. Keep your eyes open, look at all sides of the equation and don’t be so easily fooled!

Timothy Treadwell might of been losing it at the end…. but he showed people what bears were like, and how they should not be hunted period.And For That I Respect Him And Will do my best to go to alaska and follow his foot steps to show how bears are,and to study them, even if it means Death.

I have read many of the postings on this site (not all) and am wondering how so many claim to have seen the “Grizzly Man” documentary, yet seemed to miss the whole point of it all.

Everyone keeps claiming that they can’t bring themselves to sympathize for someone who put themselves in that situation. This film wasn’t about sympathizing for this man…even the filmmaker said he didn’t agree with certain views of Treadwell’s. And who are any of you to say what Timothy should or shouldn’t have died for. It was his life to live. He repeatedly said he would die for these bears…..and he did. I am not saying that this was exactly what he had in mind, but he would probably rather have been a meal to them than to have died in a plane crash.

Timothy Treadwell learned a lot in his explorations, about himself and nature. Animals looked up to him (many of the bears I am sure….and even the fox! They could have attacked him many times had they wanted to, but they respected him and yes, they were friends. Why can’t you be friends with animals?), kids looked up to him…and it gave him something to live for. How many people do you know who are miserable with their lives? Probably a lot. But Timothy was happy with what he had to live for. I’d rather die happy and fullfilled at 46, then miserable at 90. I think he made an impression on a countless number of people (ie. the school children who said that his visit was the highlight of their year), many more than Dale Curtis can say I am sure.

So don’t sympathize for Timothy Treadwell…that isn’t what he would want. All he would want would be for you to do your part and leave the Grizzlies alone. Did he do that? No, but I would rather see him out there in the woods than some piece of crap poacher. Because one day, when we have overpopulated earth and run out all the animals and torn down all the forests that keep this planet in somewhat of a balance, it will indirectly affect people like Dale Curtis. Because your kin will have to deal with our wastefulness of the planet!! Not enough people do their part and that is why there are people like Timothy. Because they get fed up. Am I like Timothy? Certainly not, but I do my part. Unfortunately I don’t have the balls to pick up the slack for People like Mr. Curtis.

In conclusion….Timothy, you did some good things, you did some weird things. But you did not die in vain.

oh yeah…on a side note….keep in mind that Timothy did live with the bears for (what was it??) 13 summers?? And he didn’t die until the last one. The bears were starving. They didn’t kill him when other food was plenitful. Timothy was a last resort. If Timothy had studied bears in a classroom for 12 years…then decided to go out into the wilderness and died in his first summer, that would be different.

John S,
Good luck and try to learn something from others mistakes, eh!

John S,

Oh yeah! bring a tracking device so your family can locate your remains.

Every animal in the wild dies an extremely violent and painful death. Tredwell wanted to live like a wild animal and unfortunately, the only real education he got from it is that animals rarely live a long time and violence for survival is a daily, sometimes hourly occurrance.

I think Tim was a good man and I admire him for his work.The poeple who put together this movies wanted Tim to look foolish. Did anyone actually see the bear kill Tim. oh yes the famous audio tape that no one has heard. What experince videographer would walk out of the tent without first taking off the cap. What videogrpher who knew any minute could be the best footage of his life would put his camera away and leave only six minutes of film left on the tape? I say Tim and his girl friend was killed and someone wants to cover it up. They said that he had 100 hours of film. Lets watch all of it and see what it shows before we make an opion on how crazy he was.Think about it. Do you think they actualy showed us his best footage out of 100 hours worth.

Here we go with another conspiracy theory. Why can’t we just take the story for what it is, a California nut-bar, supported by animal rights money to try to make a mis-informed (as usual)Disney-like attempt at showing the world that bears are man’s best, cuddly, teddy-bear friend.

You’ll never see this type of support for rattle snakes or junkyard rats. Cuddly little Winnie the Pooh’s are closer to our hearts.

u should just leave the griz alone…they dont come into your house wanting to document and exploit you do they…..and if they did id have to ask them to call ahead and ask if it was ok first..

THE MAN WHO DARED TO DREAM,perhaps we can all learn a little somthing form the life and death of (THE GRIZZLY MAN).Perhaps by society’s standards he was not playing with a full deck.But those of you who hide behind your dreams and make no effort to realize them, have no right to stand in judgment nor mock a man who dared to live his dream.And those who have choosen to make money by exploiting his life in a ill manner,are the real predators in this world.Give me the inocents of the likes of Timothy Treadwell any day,over the greed driven society,which fills its pockets upon the dreams of others.Get your own fucking dreams then talk to us when you have somthing to say that is worth listening to.

Fucking dreams? That would be a wet dream, would it not? The only wet dream Tredwell ended up with was a nightmare from grizzly saliva.

I would rather be around a man like Timothy than half the people I have heard on this site. But I still believe that there is more to the story than we have been told. None of it makes sense. The park says no one has been attack for over 25 years and all of a sudden they had to shoot 2 bears because they where under attack. Come on people, I can’t believe all of you can be miss led so easily. If you where all under the age of 5 I could understand. They claimed that no one was poaching but after Timothy death their have been 5 recorded poaching. But everyone said he was crazy saying that he new of people poaching. All I’m saying is just weigh the facts at hand and think about it.

So tell me jeff, what if anything have you ever done with your life other than find flaws in others. Your sad attempt at humor leads me to beleive,that you are proably the fist generation in your family to walk upright in your family. SOMTHING TO THINK ABOUT JEFFERY!

Good comments on here and soo much is possible. I just watched the movie and was blown away, Mr Treadwill was very unstable mentally and maybe it was some of his life experiences that led him to who he was in the end. Personally i look at his death as a form of assisted suicide. i actually believe this is the way he wanted to die. he did some great things by speaking with the children and provide plenty of information about the life of the bears. He showed us more of what we already knew, they are dangerous animals and this is how they live, and eventually this is what will happen when you interfere for too long. This man was lost and he knew it, he showed himself over n over with his tapes. Anyway, we as humans have a role to play in protecting and culling all animal populations to ensure they here for genereations. i don’t believe the animals are here just for food n fur but they are here and we can n do benefit from them. Trapping hunting are integral parts of wildlife managment and for those who don’t believe it, it’s as simple as witnessing n sitting down with knowledgeable individual. Point is though, he didn’t have to kill or sacrifice himself to inform us or protect the bears. Both of those efforts are being accomplished in safe n proven methods.

Kent,
Read your rantings from January 17 and tell me you have anything worthwhile to speak of. After your parents got married, were they still considered brother and sister? Try and get over those people issues that have obviously been haunting you in your life. Give us all a rundown on what you’ve done in your life and we’ll let you know if your the man with all the dreams or if your just another lucid dreamer.

Kent,
How’s this for living your dreams. I’ve climbed Mt. Robson, been to the North Pole, own an island in the Carribean, raised 9 children, fought in a war, can shoot a pie plate at 1,000 metres, had an affair with a Hollywood beauty, sailed solo from San Francisco to Fiji, drank more beer and pissed more blood than any 10 average dreamers but I was never stupid enough to want to pet a Grizzly. What’s your story?

The thing that surprises me is how many people just hate this guy and feel the need to pass judgment on everything he did so vituperatively. So he lived a life that you wouldn’t choose…so what? I don’t understand why people need to wig out about that. Nobody, including Herzog, is asking you to love him, give him money, or cry over his death. Do you get this furiously indignant over every lifestyle and outlook you don’t share? No wonder this world is so messed up, when many people find it impossible to observe a life different from their own without becoming personally offended and flying into a religiously fervent rage.

Andrea,
Having the freedom to argue and have a difference of opinion is what I fought for and many have died for so you could voice your opinion on this site without someone placing you in prison or in front of a firing squad. Differences of opinions has been going on since the dawn of mankind and will no doubt continue until the end of time. You can’t please everybody and you can never love everybody.

I didn’t say anything about having a difference of opinion. I’m talking about the level of hatred and fury he inspires.
In any case, spewing venom at a harmless, probably mentally ill dead guy is a pretty sad flagship for free speech, especially considering the kinds of things going on that actually DO hurt and kill people…whose biggest supporters, I suspect, are those who hate Treadwell the most.

I do not wish to recieve criticism for my own, personal opinion about Grizzly Man, just to be able to voice it freely here. Every single individual has a unique opinion and a right to voice it - who (any individual) has the right to say their opinion is the “right” one, and anothers opinion is the “wrong” one. The key word here is “opinion”! We are not talking about “facts” or “stats” but “opinions” and an opinion is just that - someones personal view on something. Okay enough of the explanation, now here is MY “opinion” on Grizzly Man:

The movie spelled out that Timothy Treadwell had many personal problems in his life and that certain events in his life led him to do what he did - try to live with Big, deadly bears year after year and not die. His success: 12 summers without dying. His failure: getting himself, his girlfriend and some bears killed.

If Timothy did not try and push it to the extreme by doing this, he, his girlfriend and a few bears would probably all still be alive and well (that is if Timothy instead sought some forms of therapy other than playing the “let’s see if a bear eats me this summer” game).

I do however believe that Timothy himself, gradually became obsessed with the bears and truly came to believe in his troubled mind that he was really doing something right and a benefit to the bears. Unfortunately, he paid the ultimate sacrifice in losing his life to the bears (but, remember how it did happen from the movie - the killer bear(s) were NOT the same ones he spent all those summers with, but some rogue(strange) bears that had moved into the area at a time when in all past summers Timothy was not there and already flown out - he came back this time unexpectedly and the strange bears were also not expecting him and were mean and hungry).

Okay, so there were some positives that came out of Timothy’s many years of bear saving efforts: - many kids DID learn more about bears and that they are deserving of being protected and saved; many people in general learned a lot more about bears; we learned from this movie many different things too, such as: don’t be a f****** idiot and do anything remotely similar to Timothy! Thank Timothy for teaching (and/or reminding) us all that, yes, life and nature are beautiful; life and nature are also deadly, and that life and nature includes death as part of it. Thank Timothy for revealing how mental illness can take over without treatment and make you believe in things that are not reality (like that you are invincible to all bears!). Thank Timothy for showing us all that there is a right way and a wrong way to go about pursuing a dream and in preserving wildlife - Timothy really thought (he TRULY thought in his OWN mind) that he was doing this the “right” way - in the end, we all see that he did it the “wrong” way - I agree with what he wanted as the end result - to show the world that animals and people can coexist and live peacefully on Earth together, I just don’t agree with what he decided was the way to go about it - A BIG HOWEVER THOUGH - in watching the Grizzly Man movie, he taught us and reminded us and got us thinking about many other things, some of which I pointed out earlier!

So too bad he, another human being and a couple of bears died that 13th summer, as it could have been prevented. But the good and positives that have come out of it, some of which I showed above, HAVE done something for us all. Tim, you were a sick guy but your heart was in the right. RIP.

Regardless of what anybody thinks of Tim, he spent the last tears of his life doing what he loved. This film showed me something I have never seen before, a person lving their life to the fullest. You might not think so but Treadwell did, and thats all that matters. Everyone who says he got what he deserves is very wrong. He got what he wanted. He said a number of times in the movie that he loved the bears and would die for them. I don’t think Timothy Treadwell would of wanted to die any other way than to be killed by th one thing in the world that made him feel alive. You shouldn’t ridicule him for being killed by a bear, you should respect him for living his life to the fullest.

Jeff,
When Kent was talking about the greed driven society, and it filling its pockets on the dreams of others, he was talking about douche bags like you. You have done all those things but which one was your dream. I don’t think any of those things was your dream. All thsoe “accomplishments ” are just bragging rights for someone whos dreams died long ago. Don’t be a hater.

Nick,
Jeff has had a lot of his life’s dreams realized and probably has a lot more to come. At least he has accomplished a significant amount of “living life to the fullest” as you said, compared to the average, stay home, wallowing in your beer and living life through the TV and wishing you’d stepped up to the plate and did something different in life. Is that your scenario, Nick, because we all detect a note of jealousy in your words.

I commend Jeff for his adventures and owe him a great debt of gratitude for stepping forward to unselfishly protect his homeland while I sat back and watched TV.

It’s very hard not to feel sorry for someone who is ripped apart and eaten by a bear, but Treadwell is the exception.
His “girlfriend” unfortunately bought into his bullshit story of him knowing how to keep from becoming a bear snack. I put girlfriend in quotes due to the clear latent homosexuality of Treadwell. Perhaps if he had come to grips with his sexuality, he wouldn’t have felt the need to film himself with bears and become excited over their feces.
This guy was a self-promoter who was more concerned with his own popularity than any freakin bear. He wouldn’t even allow his girlfriend in any of his shots to keep up the charade that he was by himself.
On his final day, Treadwell violated the number one rule of any park, “Don’t Feed the Bears.”

People=Shit. I saw the movie and yes the guy had issues but don’t we all. You are kidding yourself if you think you don’t. The guy had balls and did things only others wish they could have done. Never mind living with bears just to survive in Alaska is a challenge in its self. The guy was from Long Island New York so he was already a Bad Ass and not a little wimp like the Maggots in other parts of this country. This guy did nothing wrong to the bears and there is a lot worse that goes on in this World. Like the Circus, Rodeos, Terorists,Floods, Famine you get the point. Anyway Tim you are winning because people are talking and so you got your message across. We live in A piece of SHIT world. And it is because of the People that=SHIT. Oh and just so you can all get a mental image of me. IM a Big Bad Ass, jacked to the MAX with a lot of hate for Stuck up People. I protect the weak and also stand up for people like Tim. Id rather ride a Human then a Bull. And for all you rich Fur wearing people out there. Do not cross my Path without getting Spit upon your face…RIP TIM……..

I just watched The Grizzly Man . I only have one thing to comment on .
Timothy said over and over he was there to protect the bears .
Than why did he hide in the bushes while one of his own bears (that he named) had rocks thrown at him ?
This part didnt seem to make much sence to me .

I just watched the Grizzly Man. Wow. This guy is really crazy or was crazy. If he respected the bears he should know that bears have a one track mind. Evolution of bear has made their anatomy to be a high level consumer on the food pyramid. Survival and to produce offspring is the only concerns to a Grizzly Bear. The bears were very curious to Tim during the summer when food was avaliable. Then the salmon got scarce and Tim was the only thing to eat to store for the winter. Man and Bear dont go together for many reasons. Man is below the bear on a food chain without anyway to protect itself, and survival of the fittest fits perfect here because bear would be the fittest. That is where man brings technology into the equation. The weapon of choice the gun/bow. Just remember that humans are animals too.We have just went backwards in evolution and used technology for survival. Tim was a brave guy but in my eyes he went into the bears environment and invaded their breeding teritory.

Response to Ryan: No disrespect intended, however, your input is a little off. First, survival of the fittest is a term most biologists would like to see removed from all textbooks. Why? Because our concern is not just to cover physical stature but rather the organism’s population in a whole. Allele frequency and disruptive selection allowed us to evolve into a dominating species. We are on top of the food chain, with or without weapons. We have knowledge (inherited though genetics (allele’s)) that will most likely keep us on top for a long time. You must not forget that knowledge is the most powerful aspect of evolution. Weapons are by-products of our evolution, our fitness. And fitness refers to the reproductive contribution of a phenotype to subsequent generations relative to the contributions of other phenotypes, not strength.

O yea, one more thing. I hope he was not teaching the kids his techniques! That is the last thing they need to learn.

well turd on a bird

Please check my response 153 it went to Big bear photos circulating instead

I am a fishing guide in the area of alaska where treadwell was killed. I deal with some of those very same bears on a daily basis. In my professional opinion, treadwell had completly lost track of really. Further, I feel that he was quite obviously disturbed. The real tradegy is that the young woman had to die. His behavior should never be taken as a guideline. Grizzly bears reguire an immense amount of respect. Treadwell showed them none at all!! I have no pity.

Timothy Treadwell is the stupidest retard to ever walk the Earth. I watched the movie Grizzly Man and laughed my ass off. God does have a sense of humor you must admit. God put complete retards on this Earth for the rest of us intelligent people to laugh at and get a kick at. This movie was hilarious. I have never heard of such a retard moron in my life. Timothy Treadwell had brain damage man! He got what he deserved. I am glad that the grizzly bear ate him. I am a nature enthusiast myself, but I respect the animals in the woods and the mountains. Timothy Treadwell had absolutely no respect for these animals. Grizzly bears are super predators and any normal person realizes this and respects the grizzlies and their environment. Timothy Treadwell - You got what you deserved, you mental retard!!!

Ya know, this really disturbs me. All these comments saying that he got what he deserved are all insanely immature. Have some respect. Seriously. He was a very compassionate, loving person. I do believe after watching Grizzly Man that yes, maybe a little cookey - but not in a bad way. Not once did he ever suggest that he would never get hurt or killed by one of these bears. I believe he had an uncanny talent with working so closely with these animals. It seemed to me that not only did he respect these animals, but they also in turn respected him. If you ask me, in this screwed up world with drug dealers using puppies to transport heroin, murderers and rapists we could use a few more Timothy Treadwells in this world. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for being so insensitive and nasty.

your life is not a dress rehearsal..this is the real deal! and some people are lucky to live the life they choose. Its plain to see that his choice to live in the wild was what he wanted..even knowing the dangers it brought…Good For Him! An absolutely harmless man with a real big heart!…….free.

I can’t believe that after all of the comments from all of the people on this site, and still nobody knows where we can listen to the tape? There has to be a copy of it somewhere. Jewel said that she didn’t destroy it and probably never would, also, she had given it to somebody and needed a court order to get it back. Somebody has to have it. I have searched bearguts.com…good joke…don’t bother…rotten.com, I can’t find it anywhere…

Anyways, as for Treadwell, I cannot agree more that he was absolutely bipolar and had he been medicated his life would have been much different than it was. This disease will torture the mind of it’s sufferers and it is really sad to see that in the age that we live in with the miracles of modern medicine and he was still out there functioning in his madness and putting others in danger. Although I do find it quite incredible that he existed as long as he did with the bears, it was inevitable that he would die the way he did, and I am sure that he was aware of that. He was obviously fine with that, he said so many times in the film.

There should, however, be some kind of law against what he was doing, and if he was breaking the law, why was he not hauled out of there and locked up before he could endanger his girlfriend? She obviously loved him, but her life would have gone on without him, had he died out there without her.

Just a few thoughts that I am surprised nobody else mentioned before now…The film was on discovery last night and I am sure there will be more postings today…I am hope there will be more intelligent ones instead of the whole debate that the guy was crazy…get over it…

…and tell us where the audio tape is…..lmao…

There is a lot of evidence for this that I will not get into, but the more I watch the documentary the more I’m thinking this was a suicide and Amy was dragged down with him. At least one of the letters he wrote literally spells out that he wanted to morph into a grizzly. There was no coincidence that he was close from being picked up when he was attacked, but, like most suicides, he wanted us to know it was his own decision. He didn’t want to leave the Grizzly Maze.

His view of nature is misguided and off key. One clear example is when he finds the dead fox that was eaten by wolves. This is the wilderness where death sustains life, but he turns his head from the harsh realities that surround him.

His proclaimed love for the bear is personal, not respectful, and here is where I have issues with the message he portrays to children. He was mentally tortured by all that society represents and found relief from this by living reclusively in the wild and becoming increasingly envious of bears for their natural and simplistic lives.

I believe he wanted to record his final transformation into a grizzly, hence the audio and no video. I was watching the documentary last night and it was obvious to me, given the pauses on his last video, that he was contemplating something. His talk of death wasn’t foreboding, it was planning. I view his whole experience as a sort of cultish religious tragedy where in the end of his journey he sacrifices his body as a type of eucharist that will transform him into a bear, becoming one with them and protecting them. He may have chose which bear would help him through this transformation. His last conflict with civilization (argument with an airline representative over the validity of his ticket) was the last straw.

I think his friends that were involved in the movie are covering up the nature of his death (attack or suicide) and the audio that was found holds clues to project the best light possible. I can and hope I am wrong, but if this were the truth it would not surprise me and it would undermine all his claims.

As far as the documentary is concerned, I watched as objectively as I could. In the tragic end we learn that if you tally Man VS Nature, we will always lose. A message that is already familiar to us. My hopes are that something good can come from his experience. However, this story is not about the grizzlies, and it is not about Amy…

John, to suggest that this was a suicide is complete nonsense. First of all Amy went there of her own free will. She too knew the dangers of being there and by going accepted them. He stated a few times in the film that he did not want to die by a bears paws. He knew the damage they could do and the pain that he would go through. I don’t understand how you can think he wanted this; he was not a malicious man and would never want to hurt anyone, let alone his girlfriend. Infact the coroner stated that he was trying to get Amy to run away and leave him.

The only thing that I saw him do that I didn’t quite agree with was when he made the little trail for the salmon to follow. You really can’t screw with nature in that way. You have to let things take their natural course. As far as him mourning the loss of the little fox that died, I didn’t see anything wrong with that. It’s a sad thing to see a dead animal especially one who you have lived closely with. He was a smart man, he knew it was just the way it goes. Don’t confuse that. We still mourn the loss of loved ones even though we know that death is a part of life.

I knew about Timothy Treadwell Years and years ago I read about him and watched some of his early stuff. When the discovery channel started promoting the movie weeks ago “Grizzly Man”. I said wow someone did a movie about Tim. I have great empathy for people in this world. I have GREAT EMPATHY FOR TIM AND AMY! I do understand when someone is not being smart or just plain old putting themselves in a bad situation. Tim knew the deal living there in Alaska as well as did Amy. To suggest he went there with Amy to die is ridiculous!!!! SUSICIDE????? John are you that ignorant? Naive? Or just another American with a really bad opinion, outlook or just plain old bad attitude on life? WOW the guy (Timothy) may have been not exactly your average person up stairs, But oh well are any of us?
He was there stopping poaching! He was there to HELP!!! Not to harm anyone or anything! The man had a GREAT HUGH passion for wildlife, and obviously felt better living in the wild with the bears and other wild animals than with people such as you and me. Please people have some compassion! The man did not ask to be mauled by a bear, Yes he knew it was a possibility but please come on….. I don’t think anyone wants to endure what Tim and Amy went threw in the last moments of their lives.
What have you done in life to make such a Hugh impact John? In death he is more famous than in life? (Tim that is.) I relly think you need to be a little more compassionate and caring about your fellow humans. If everyone had that attitude this world WOULD be a better place.
I didn’t know Tim in life, but after watching the movie 2 times already, having a few years of knowledge about him, watching him in the past and reading about him in the past and knowing about the man and his life. I truly feel as if I knew him, and my sprits and thoughts are with Tim, Amy, and all there friends and family. Rest in peace Timothy you are now among the bears for eternity! Yes this is just another opinion and take it how you will.

Mark

I watched this movie with a couple of friends last night, and it struck all of us that Treadwell was actually after self gratification and was not really concerned with ‘helping’ these bears. As the film went on, I thought it became an expose of a very conflicted individual who happened to be in Alaska. I suppose he could have just as easily decided to swim with white sharks and ‘protect’ them from fishermen; it was his desire to flaunt danger that drove him to video the bears, perhaps as a substitute for his admitted alcohol and drug abuse. Manic depression, latent homosexuality, addictive personality, narcisissm (did anyone notice he was teasing his hair in between each video take?), this man was a psychiatrist’s dream. If he really had wanted to help protect these bears, I wonder why he didn’t go back to college, get a biology degree and get a job as a Parks Service Ranger. He then could have devoted his life to science instead of pop-science. Lastly,the problem I have with many who say that we should respect him for doing what he believed is that he has placed a lot of people and bears in danger by habituating the bears to humans. How many of these bears have forever lost their fear of man because of Treadwell and his psuedo-science?

I never heard of this guy until last night on Disc. Ch. It seems to me this guy was on a path of self destruction of wich his freinds and family were aware of. How anybody could spend two minutes with this guy and not realize he has serious anti-social issues, paranoia, as well as bipolar disorder is beyond me. His family, freinds, as well as the park service should have seen this, stepped up to the plate, and got his ass out of there to get him some help. He is not the type of person I would choose to be around but Im sure there were many people who loved him. He made some poor judgments through his mental illness wich cost some lives. I feel this could have been avoided if someone had tried harder to help him. It’s to bad society gets so much pleasure out of ridiculing the weak of mind and people who make mistakes. This,Im sure, is one reason he decided to go live with bears instead of people. He was a human being and deserves to be remembered for the good things he has done in life not for his faults. He deserves empathy not ridicule.

Jenny, I completely agree with you. John you are harsh and unnerving along with all the other people that say that Timothy deserved this. He loved those bears and other animals the same way all of us grow to love our animals. Just because they have huge claws instead of little cat ones, that we can manicure, does not make it any different. When animals were killed he was sad, the same that we or our kids would be if our pets, neighbor’s pets or just the baby birds in our front yards had died. In a sence he loved these animals as a child does, with no qualms about anything. He didn’t care that they were bigger than him, different, smelly, noisy, hairy or anything else that made them different than us humans. He saw something that was beautiful and he cared for it. He didn’t try to capture it and take it home so that he could have it forever, he saw them on their own territory and on their own terms. He never tried to change who they were or make them more popular for the films he took. He loved them for what made them tick and that’s all there is to it. There was nothing in the film that made me believe that he wanted to die, or that he made up his mind what day it was going to happen. He knew there were risks and he took precautions, as much as he could by staying away from mothers with their cubs, males fighting over mating rights and such.
The film did state several times that Amie was afraid, but all things we are intrigued by do scare us. She knew about bears, according to the film she had been around them for many years, since childhood. If she didn’t want to be there she could have left, but she wanted to help them as much as Timothy. How many of us go to the zoo to see the lions and such that could kill us in one blow, how many times do you see on the news that a child was malled by gorillas because they wanted to play. That was not the child’s fault, and I’m sure the parents had told the child several times not to do it. But it’s something that intrigues us. The child knew the animal was bigger than it but it still wanted to play, it didn’t beleive that the big animal would actually hurt it.
Timothy and Amie both knew the consequences of their expedition, and they chose to push on. They had left, and decided to go back. If Amie didn’t want to she could have stayed at the airport and went home instead of staying with Timothy. She made a conscious decision to stay and be with the bears. The only thing that I can see that may be why this happened is because all the bears that they knew were hybernating, so all the bears that they saw were knew to them. And yet, I’m sure that if they felt threatened at all they would have left with no hesitation. As the film stated, he would have rather died than to have a bear hurt. He would not have liked the fact that the bear 141 that killed them was then killed. In Timothy’s eyes, and I agree, the bear was just looking for food. It didn’t do anything wrong except, to the majority, eat humans. All the bear knew was that winter was coming and it needed a full belly if it was to survive the winter.
To suggest that Timothy was sick in the head is just outrageous. There was nothing wrong with him except that he loved these animals. He was able to survive 13 years of living with them. He didn’t just go a few days a year, he stayed for months on end. There are many of us that love certain animals and stay with them. There are people that love mountain lions, poisonous snakes, even people that have huge constrictors in their houses that could eat them our their children. So, how different are we really from Timothy? We all have an animal or two that have been demesticated for OUR enjoyment, not the animals. You could tell by the film that he was close to them but never got closer than the bear was comfortable. He never put himself in harms way. He was very cautious in the film and pictures that he took to make sure that the animals stayed safe. And it was even stated in the film that the bear 141 had been collared, a tooth taken from him, he may have not liked humans. But Timothy did not know that about him, we didn’t even know it was that bear until it was killed because it had killed Timothy. Had Timothy known that he may not have stayed anywhere near him. If you wanted to blame anyone for his death it would have to be the scientists that upset this old bear. That bear may not have liked humans, the film did say that it can happen. And I am intrigued by the fact that the 13 years that he was doing this there were few pochings and then the first year after his death there are six. To all of you that say he didn’t do anything to help these animals is completely wrong. He was obviously doing something for them otherwise they wouldn’t have survived.

I am sorry Kristina, but, you are wrong to think there was no mental illness here. I am not poking fun, by calling him down about it. I am simply stating that through my own experience with bipolar disorder, and knowing several different individuals including young boys and grown men, it is very obvious that Timothy Treadwell did suffer from this illness. The highs and the lows that Jewel said he was medicated for, and missed while he was medicated, is a classic symptom of why adult sufferers stop taking their meds and end up suicidal because of the lows that are so low they can barely be described to us who do not suffer them.

I will not sit here and say that he contributed nothing. His film and stillshots of these animals is fantastic. We would not have that had he not put himself in harm’s way to get it. But, he insisted this was not his reason for doing it. He was narcissistic. That is why he filmed it, and made sure he had the right color bandana on his head, or that his hair was combed and preened.

Also. the poaching did start again immediately after he was gone. I do believe he protected them from that. That point is also obvious.

But, then there is the fact that this was the first season that he went back in the fall when the bears would have been more unfamiliar and hungry before beginning their hibernation. This increased the danger greatly and he was aware, as I said earlier, that he would be in more danger.

He was, lastly, suicidal. That is why he was there in the end…his illness along with the end of his season with the bears and then the fat flight attendant was the end of everything for him. He went back, and that was NOT for the bears. It was for himself. To end it all. It was selfish, and he ended up taking 2 bears and his girlfriend with him. This is just another example of bipolar disorder going untreated and poeple suffering from it taking their lives along with others…whether it in a murder suicide, a car ‘accident’ or whatever.

He just chose to do it in the wilderness rather than in civilization.

He could have done much more working through organizations and pushing legislation rather than isolating himself in the wilderness completely cut off. He should have learned to use legitimate channels because that is the language of the world.

I think he was a man that had a great deal of respect bears, however I think he pushed his limits by thinking he could co-exist with the likes of a wild animal….(Thought: Did he really know as much about the animal as he thought he did?)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA god i wished i would of heard the aganizing screams of his demise. here was such a wack jop that deserved that.”ahhh bear”. “run away amie, get out of here” lol that made my day.

As an Alaskan born and raised, I would have to say what a brave and dumb thing to do. I applaud him for going after a dream. I applaud him for doing something that he felt strongly about and that got him out of his troubled past. I would have to say though, that the man definately needed counseling. He was so mentally unstable and afraid of life out in the real world with people that he chose a life , so dangerous and secluded away from the world, and a bit crazy and stupid. I’m so curious as to why he was so unstable, all I can come to is that it must have been his childhood. Maybe because of his unstableness he saved us all to whom he could have become if he didn’t choose this path. God and timothy only know that answer. Godspeed!

Tim was from New York right, I just want to say “We are all not that dumb and stupid as he! Thank God..” He played with a six shooter with one bullet in it for 13-15yrs plain and simple.

Oh one other thing TC “Right on”…

Mike from CT,
I am quite upset how you refer to the rest of us Americans that don’t live on the East coast as “maggots”. I live in Wyoming and I am most definatly not a maggot. You may be a certain kind of tough where you come from, but I come from a different kind of tough. I am up at five every morning until ten at night to take care of beef cattle that ends up in the belly of most Americans. How DARE you think you are so much better then us. I don’t think myself better than anyone in America, or the world for that matter and it upsets me that you think you are.
Another note: You mentioned how rodeo is so terrible…news flash, buddy…rodeo stock is some of the best treated animals in the world. They are an investment and it wouldn’t make much sense to abuse an investment. I would advise you to check out your facts from all sides of an issue before passing judgment.
Now, to the movie…Props to Tim for having the time of his life up with the bears. I’m sure he realized the dangers of what he’s doing. Nowhere in his tapes does he ask people to mourn in case something happened. The only concern I have is that people might think bears should be approached this way. However, I think this movie has generated enough media and personal attenetion that that shall be remedied.

I keep wondering if this could have been prevented either with intervention or medication, but not sure if it would have helped. I really feel sorry for him and his girlfriend because I don’t think he was mentally stable. Hopefully with all the attention this is getting people will be able to teach their children about wild animals and boundries that shouldn’t be crossed. At the very least we can see what happens when you do drugs, mock Jesus, and turn yourself into a social outcast. I’m not a Bible beater but even I know you don’t go around demanding God make it rain!

Why are we so judgemental of this man and the way he lead his life. Did he ask any of us for anything? Was he your friend, son, brother child.but, yet people in these letters feel a need to judge this man and girlfriend and the way they chose to live on the edge. I know a eighteen year old who is did the same thing he went to war. From what he told me gun doesn’t make a difference when its your time its your time. Yet no one calles him crazy he is just eighteen but this is what he wants. I ask you what is the difference? Why do we as human feel such a need to judge one another maybe that what drove him to the bears in first place a place where he could just be without the ugly ways and the ugly things we as humans do to each other day in and day out. Let this man and woman die with a little bit of peace and respect.

TINIE, YOU PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE TO BE NOTICED YOUR GOING TO BE JUDGED. HE DID ASK SOMETHING OF US, NOTICE ME!!! HE SAID HE WANTED TO PROTECT THE BEARS. HE DID MORE HARM THAN GOOD. HE SHOULD BE JUDGED, SO MORE IDIOTS DON’T DO THE SAME THING. LEAVE THEM ALONE

I’m sorry but I think most of you are missingthe real pathos of this story. Its got nothing to do with bears people. I don’t think poor old Tim was particularly disturbed or deranged. He just chose to tell himself a particular story. He was like most people a story making animal ina harsh unforgiving universe. The story went like this “This is Mr Chocolate and this is Tabitha and you have to remain cool in the challenge” The REAL sadness lies in the fact that the universe like Herzog says was without any mercy

…and didn’t give a shit about the story he was telling himself and the bit parts he’d allocated for the other players.

Ok first off,this guy was a freaking idiot and got what he deserved!Secondly I want to say something about some of the lies on here from other idiots.Tim did NOT prevent poaching since after he died the bears that were killed by poachers were killed in another location then were he was!They would have been killed if he was still there since he would have been over a 100 miles from them!He could NOT have stoped poachers even if they would have come to where he was!The guy had no weapon and yelling at poachers doesnt scare them much.Tim could have stoped the people throwing rocks at the bear if he wanted to but instead he hid like a pussy and spewed threats under his breath!Another little fun fact is that in over 15 year 5 bears have been poached in the park and they were all killed at one time!

Now lets move on to how he was able to stay there for so long and not die.Did anyone forget that the year he died was the ONLY year that he stayed into fall?The bears that he loved so much and let him get close to him were bears that had NEVER been hunted and had no fear of man or guns.Tim also lived there in the summer when the bears are mostly eating a veggie diet and fish.Its in the spring when the bears hang out in the caliving areas to eat elk calves and then again in the fall they eat mostly meat to try to put on fast weight on before they hibernate!

This guy said he wanted to be a bear but had NOTHING to fight a bear with?All boar bears fight as they grow up and they fight for alot of reasons.they fight for mating,territory,food supplies and just to fight.Tim was an idiot for not bringing atleast a can of pepper spray to use just incase.

Tim said the park service was out to get him?The park service could have found him and made him leave at any time,even when he tried to “hide” his camp.Its funny in over 100 hrs of footage there is not ONE instance of anyone from the park service harrasing him.The park service warned him but he thought he was a god and could not die.

Tim did alot more damageto the bears then he did good.The bears that got used to him will die from a human now if they ever try and walk up to a human or if they dont run when a hunter comes calling.In the long run it will take a full generation of bears befor they are back to there natural ways around humans.

I think he might as well have put a gun in his gf’s mouth and pulled the trigger.Amy wated to leave before the fall since she knew what the feeding habbits of the bears were in the fall.Tim told her he would take care of her and look what happened!Amy was a smart girl and knew that them staying at a time when bears are looking for any protien they can find before there long sleep was a bad mistake,this is why she said she wanted to leave 3 weeks before she was killed.Amy could NOT leave after tim told the pilot they were staying before he asked her what she wanted!

I love how people spew there green peace beliefs about a subject they know nothing about.These bears are NOT disney animals and they will and do kill people!The fact that he made it as long as he did shows that bears are not always in a feeding frenzy and they can be wored with in certain times of the year.

Tim is NOT the only person to die from grizzlys,all’s you have to do is google grizzly attacks in Alaska to see for yourself how often this happens.Not all bears are killers,but ALL bears will kill in the right circumstance!

Tim was a fake his whole life,he lied to the people here (Alaska)and he led to people where ever he went.Tim was a drug abuser and womenizerwhen he could be.Tim tried to use his “fame” to get women to go and visit him at his camp and he got a few to do it.The stories they tell about the time they spent with him should have been told in the movie.The guy was a flake and would snap at the sound of the wind blowing.

My whole point is you people that spew your little rants about how good Tim was and how much he did for the bears are idiots!You know nothing about what went on here and know nothing about the habits of bears here.Tim did take a risk being here in the summer risk,a slight risk but a risk.Tim commited suicide by staying into the fall pattern and he should have know this,his gf did!

I hope this shows that some people that try and convince others that animals are just like humans are morons!They do not know good and bad,they do not weigh facts,they do not “think” about things and they do not have feelings like humans do!Anyone that says a bear can love need to come and watch a boar kill his cub or a sow kill her own cub when food is scarce!Animals are animals and when you mistake them for something else you die fast here!

To anyone that wants to say im the idiot or that i know nothing about wildlife here,i say come to Alaska! I will bring you to where Tim died in the fall and you can try and make it one week!If you wont do that then stick it up your ass!People who live in condo’s and watch the nature channel in between helping a few cats and dogs at the humane society should not try and pretend they know anything about my world up here!

I’m going to try and stay unjudgmental. In other words, I won’t call him a whacko or left-wing tree hugger or whatever, but I wil say this much, whatever he was doing he must have been doing for himself, because I never got any hint that the bears benefited.

When he said he was trying to protect “these animals” did he mean the species or the individual animals, because on both scales he failed. Species protection would mean to protect their habitat or learn more about bear behaviors in order to place better game and park management policies in place. Individiual protection means instilling a healthy fear of humans into these bears, not habituating them to the presence of humans. If I were a poacher, I’d be going right after Mr. Chocolate now, because I know that poor beast isn’t going to run from the sight of a bipedal. I could get within handgun range, ferchrissake, thanks to Treadwell.

And to compare Treadwell to Jane Goodall is a joke. Dr. Goodall is trained and educated in human and animal behavior. She writes scientific papers that are subject to peer review. She makes observations, formulates hypotheses, and comes to conclusions. She is a scientist and acts like one. She is trying to advance knowledge of the species she studied and of ourselves as a species. She has worked tirelessly with governments in trying to expand protections. Treadwell did none of this.

In the final analysis, his relationship with the bears was purely to serve his own purposes. Whether those purposes were good-intentioned or not is open to debate, but to me they run from either self-healing, self-serving, to self-promoting, but in the end it starts with self. Please don’t misunderstand me either, I don’t think these are necessarily bad motivations, because these are the basis for advancement in general, but at least let’s be honest about the man.

I thank Herzog for his film, and I thank Timothy Treadwell, for reminding us to tread carefully through the wild. Timothy Treadwell treaded unwell onto nature’s dinner plate. He predicted his own death throughout Herzog’s documentary. Death by nature was expected to happen by Treadwell himself. He knew that he may be involved in the natural food chain at any given moment. It doesn’t matter if Treadwell was mentally sick, or that he came from California. It doesn’t matter that he was a liar, or that he had an addictive personalty. What matters, is that he was a dedicated human being, that wanted to reconfirm to all of us that nature is still operating at it’s finest. It was completely normal what happened to Treadwell. It was nature being nature. Under the circumstances, his death is not a tragic event. It was a normal everyday event, expected to occur. Treadwell threw himself at nature’s appetite for necessary continuance. At nature’s dinner plate, the bear ate Treadwell, just like Treadwell ate his baked beans, tearing open the can with a sharp object, biting into the beans, swallowing, and consuming them to survive.

I saw the movie last night, and only by accident. Before this, I had remembered hearing about his death but had no idea who he and his girlfriend were. Now that I have seen the movie, I feel no pity for him. Yes, it is sad that he had to die the way he did, and yes, I am a bit disturbed at the details of them being eaten and whatnot. However, I’m also disappointed…I would have liked to hear the audio tape myself. Unfortunately, all I get is to see other’s reactions. It’s not that I’m amused by death or love hearing people in their dying moments, but I feel it would be almost like ‘closure’ even though I’m not grieving. So maybe more like ‘ a solid ending’ to this story. Tim himself, I don’t feel sorry for. He knew the risks–or he should have–but he continued to act as though he was dealing with domesticated cats rather than wild animals that could (as he said) decapitate a person. The thing that gets to me is that his girlfriend had to die too, and she didn’t love bears like he did and was quite afraid of them. I think it was selfish of him to endanger another life like that, even if she didn’t run away when he told her to. “Wacko” would be the first word that I could think to describe him, but he might’ve been more than that–I didn’t know him. I’m just saying that he could’ve just as easily gotten therapy and saved his life as he could have gone out there and gotten eaten.

I watched it on TV last night, and I’m convinced that he did not morph into a grizzly, but he did morph into Queer Eye’s Carson Kressley. Maybe in the future, we’ll see him decorating homes in a bear motif. Gee, I hope they like it.

Treadwells heart may have been in the right place. But his massive self induced,self absorbed ego took over long before that fucking bear looked at him not as a friend to fight for his cause,but a hot plate with the girl thrown in as a after dinner mint.As I watched the movie and saw Treadwell begin to believe in his own bullshit.I WANT TO SEE THE SCENE WHEN HE DIPPED HIS COCK IN PEANUT BUTTER AND LET THOSE FOXES GO FUCKIN CRAZY!

I think folks get so indignant about this guy because you get hurt a little bit when you find out he lost his life doing something so foolish. I agreed with mostly nothing he was doing but you could not help but like him….
The truth is that humans have a soul and we do not understand the soulessness of an animal so savage, not always savage but sooner or later savage….Bears are to be admired, repected, but never trusted….Timothy was a fool, a likable fool but never the less a fool.

I do not understand why tragedy always has to be turned into a punchline…You know, that is why there are folks like Timothy…All they want is to be taken seriously…..They can not find it in society because in a way, humans try to destroy there own, just like the bears, only in a much slower more unforgiving process. The worst part is that we know better…….The bears have an excuse…..we do not…

I think he was a well respected person who loved and wanted to study the bears and their ways in their habitat alone in the waters. he took pictures of the bears while he was alone. when he was very alone. i mean so alone he took naughty pictures of them. those bears loved it.what a naughty show

Hey Its me and i am still alive. i am taking pictures of a bear as we speak. oh no, I am being chased by a ginormous bear, but I am still taking pictures for some reason. but its still normal for me to still take pictures because my name is tim treadwell and i live with bears and love them. it makes me super horny because i stick my schlong in bear food and have them lick it. ha ha arn’t i funny.

….what an idiot. That’s all I have to say about that!

My husband and I watched the documentary the other night. We had different views about Timothy and the reasoning behind it. I don’t believe that Timothy had a death wish. I think Timothy truly believed that he had an entitlement to nature. Believing within the depts of his soul that he was such a good person inside, that nature would not allow his demise by a bear.
It was obvious that Timothy was insecure living the everyday life that the majority of us have to live. If my husband and I could, we would pack up now and move to Alaska, this is our dream. To escape our ratrace and live life in harmony amongst the bear, not with the bear.
This is the difference between Timothy and ourselves, he followed his dream and we have yet to. Timothy took that chance and lived for over 13 years sharing it. If we could all be that lucky, not that I personally would want to die by one too many a bear, maybe 1 to many a beer……..
Cheers to You Timothy and your friend that died with you that day. I hope and pray that she too had lived her life to the fullest. Apprently she loved you for who you were, may we all find a love like that. I don’t think you were soul mates, but I do think you were loved that day and I think she was as well. I know you didn’t believe in God but I beieve God believed in you and you’re both in his hands now.
Sorry, that we had never knew of you until after your death.

Uh oh….here comes the flood of the junior high-esque comments. I guess your mommys and daddys forget to set the parental controls on Tivo.

Everyone keeps talking about how Timothy had no respect for the bears. Wrong. You guys are the ones with no respect. Hmm…and you wonder why he wanted to spend every summer in the wilderness of Alaska. Nice job human race!

Jenny,
To respect the bears, you have to respect what they could do to you. And by doing that, you have to respect their space. Timmothy did niether.

Casey,
Tim knew exactly what they could do; he stated it many, many times. As far as I could tell, Tim never tried to walk too far towards them. He always had a nice distance between himself and the bears. They came to HIM; he didn’t force himself upon them, they made a conscious effort to approach him. He had the utmost respect for those bears.

Everyone has their opinions, and I understand that. We can all agree to disagree but what tiffs me is how disrespectful everyone is about the situation.

Timothey Treadwell got eaten by a bear while living his dream. Good for him, but claiming him to be a protector of the bears is ridiculous. If anything all he did was take a step to kill the bears. Now that they are accostomed to having human(s) around perhaps they’ll stick around next time the hunters come for them.

As if that wasn’t enought, I believe his irresponsibility is what killed Amie Huguenard. He survived for 13 summers by knowing when to be dominant and when to act submissive. Knowing the right limits kept him alive as long as it did, but how anyone could think to place Amie in that same enviroment i can’t understand. She was admittedly afraid of the bears, and when your afraid you don’t think straight, and in that position not thinking is something you can’t afford to do.

I applaud Tim for being able to coexist with the bears for as long as he did, though his motivations were a bit off. As for the deaths of him and his partner, I blame him alone for what happened. A bear that’s too old to hunt is naturally going to find an easy source of food, and a scared woman and over confident man are about as easy as it comes when you’re an alaskan grizzly.

If anyone treads on my territory, trying to take pictures of me and my family, I will chomp you up just like you know who. Stay away from our home, and you will not be killed. Just as you would kill us, if we came to your home, we will continue to do the same to you. We are getting very pissed off at you insane humans for coming into our homeland. Even the foxes here are ready to kick some ass. STAY THE HELL AWAY. Thank you. GRRRRRRRRRRR

I just saw this movie on Discovery and was in disbelief that someone could be so foolish as to think they could live amongst the bears and not get eaten. Bears are here to survive and there basic instinct is to eat for survival. I totally agreeed with the pilot in the beginning that had to clean up the mess that Tim got what he deserved. It is sad though that he had to take his girlfriend down with him. She too was a fool for even thinking about accomodating him on his trips. Believe me, that isn’t LOVE. I am still confused as to what was he protecting the bears from and how did he respect them and their environment. I just don’t see the respect he talks about. If he respected them, he should have left them alone. If you want to observe animals in their wild habitat, set-up a camera that you can monitor this. You don’t have to get up close and personal to accomplish this.

What I really think was happening here is that this was a very mentally unstable guy. He tried to get into acting with no luck. He wanted the notariety and the celebrity status. What a way to do it by doing something totally off the wall to get the media attention. He did this for his own ego and claim to fame. This wasn’t about the bears. This was about Tim and how it could benefit him. Do you really think he wanted to die at the hand of a bear? He mentioned over and over of how he didn’t want to be attacked by a bear. This tells me he did this to promote himself. The other sad part is that his supporters let him die. Every time they gave him money to support this cause it put him in danger. What ever happened to striaght forward honesty. Didn’t anyone like his family, close friends ever say Tim let’s get you the necessary medical help you deserve. To me that is respect. Once again another senseless death that didn’t need to happen.

no one deserves it, except mabey people like hitler, saddam and the like. It would have been nice if some of his friends in the video did try to do more intervention for his mental well being. Suffering from any mental illness is a hell on earth that none of us should have to endure and I know, having been down a very deep and dark hole several times. I do feel so very empathetic for Timothy, so very sorry for Amy who should not have been there either, for all the people that helped him finance his illusion and now somehow try to make peace with their contribution to his ultimate demise. I agree that while food was abundant the bears were content and with a sixth sense may have smelled the bipolor cancer within him and given him wide margin. What a sad story was told accompanied with a beautiful musical score. either way look at all the emotion that has been raised by the subject matter. seperates the compasinate and rational minded human beings from the mindless aggressive animals and I only mean the responses I have read here…..

Lions, tigers and bears do not want to be your friend. They want to bite your head off, drag you into the thicket and finish you off later. Case closed.

I was wondering if there was a way to get the audio or at least a writing of the video that was on when he was killed. Thanks for the help.
cheers,
J

Neil,
Well written!

I didn’t like the guy. he always looked at me funny and he never gave me any fucking chocolate! every time I took a shit or licked myself -guess what? There’s fucking Tim! (go figure).

I belive that there is a thin line between bravery and stupidity and Tim crossed it. It seems to me in the movie Tim felt like he could be a bear and could be friends with them. He clamied to know alot about bears but someone who knows alot about bears should know almost all animals act of instinct. The bears tolerated him not befriended. Tim of all people who claimed to know so much should have known that.
In regard to his death it is unfortunate but it is his fault he should have known better.
One thing I did notice is why does everyone posting hate people. Sure there is prolems with the human race but I would rather be a human than a bear.

Jeremiah,

Got to this website and you can read a transcript of the audio.

http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

Timothy Treadwell is still alive and living in the alaskan wilderness. He faked his own death to keep people from bothering him while he goes on his “expeditions”.

Is there any way to get the audio tape of that night Timothy and his girlfriend where killed?

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We just watched the doc in a class today and the whole thing is disturbing. Tim had serious mental issues that he “addressed” with the bear research. He was running from his life and, I’m sorry, “created” a lot of stuff so that he could cope. He passed this off as research. Where is all the scientific research he gathered in 13 years? Jane Goodall was an accomplished, recognized scientist, Tim was just a lost soul looking for something to live for. Watching the film, I got the impression that Tim WANTED to die at the paws of a bear and I feel he would’ve kept going back until that happened. I don’t have sympathy for him at all as he died as he wanted, but it’s REALLY jacked up to have gotten his girlfriend involved. She was frightened of the bears and didn’t have a good feeling about them (watch the doc), so why was she there? Because Tim undoubtedly convinced her that it was going to be o.k. If he’s determined to die by bear, fine, but don’t talk someone else into suffering the same fate. And what for? Two dead bears, ridicule and, as far as I can tell, no everlasting significant research value to the world.

where’s the link to the audio tape? i’ve searched and searched…but can’t find…roomate said he’s heard it, but doesn’t remember where…i’m starting to think he dreamed it

i think timothy treadwell should have gotten mental help before anybody let him out in the wilderness i mean come on NO GUN physco

Ok many of you have already covered very nicely what I wanted to say.

Timothy had deep rooted mental issues

Timothy’s friends are capitalizing on the attention and did nothing to stop him and get him help

Yes Timothy needed help not hippies idealizing his life

Timothy was an angry man who is probably not as peace loving as advertised. Listen to the things he says as he chases the fox that stole his hat. Listen to his irrational rant about the Rangers. Those are not the words of a peace loving guy who just wants to help bears.

He was an attention seeker first and foremost and a helper of bears way after that

Jane Goodall and Timothy are nothing alike

Timothy bears (pardon pun) the responsibility for his own death, that of his girlfriend and at least 1 bear

Someone mentioned he kept a respectful distance from the bears. Obviously saw a different movie than I did he reached out and touched some of them. A bear can run at LEAST 15 mph a human not nearly that fast. A respectful distance form bears is measured in yards and meters (at least) not inches

The bear did exactly what a bear is supposed to do… Eat things.. A lot of things

Timothy apparently unlike Jane Goodall did not have a solid scientific foundation of his subject. In short, being around an old bear before hibernation is a REALLY bad thing to do. Obviously… How come he didn’t know this if he did know this I have even less respect? A bears job and only job is too eat lots of stuff before they hibernate. Something that is NOT a bear’s job? Starring in an amateur video is NOT a bear’s job.

I feel for Timothy as a human it was obvious he was in mental pain and needed help. Again his friends disgust me. Seriously. Timothy could have done so much more to help the bears had he lived. 12 years of film = enough. They should have kept him home.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

Timothy’s friends who for the most part seem as spacey as he was should be spurned not given attention. There is no excuse whatsoever for them to let him do that. Saving bears, doing his own thing, living his own dream etc etc all sound wonder but his actions killed his girlfriend, him and at least 1 bear.

Timothy is no hero he is no different than anyone we see on a video who lives their own dream by trying to be a amateur stunt man and sets themselves on fire and ends up in a burn unit or some teenager that pulls a stupid stunt. Dreams like Timothy’s are called nightmares.

It baffles me Tim was 8 years older than me and yet he obviously had the maturity level of someone much much younger.

Before anyone says it. Yes I would physically restrain and or have my friends committed if they ever did that. why? because I love my friends and sometimes we have to do hard things to keep our friends safe.

Someone should have warned Timothy that Bears have a Ravish Hunger, late in the Fall, as the Bears stock up with Heavy Calories, for the Winter Hybernation season ! Thus, he really did not seem to know anything about Bears habits as the Seasons change ! I did a Google Search on Bears Eating Habits ,as the Seasons Change, and got 1,680,000 Hits ! Didn’t this guy own a Laptop ? Did he ever do a Google Search on his beloved Bears ? This guy was killed by his own Ignorance ! If it wasn’t a Bear, it would have been a Motorcycle, a Mountain Climb, a Bungie Jump, or some other Sport or Activity that he failed to do his safety research on ! Do you think that the average Motorcycle rider takes the time to do his safety research to enable himself to find out that he will soon be scrapped off the pavement as Road Kill ? Do you think that most Gamblers take the time to do their research, to enable them to find out that 99 % of all Casino Gamblers, will lose their Life savings to those Slot Machines and Blackjack Tables ? Do you think that these Big SUV owners know how Top Heavy that their SUVs are, and that their SUV is a Death Trap ? I don’t think so !!! I just read the Timothy Treadwell book, Grizzly Maze, and a Laptop or PC Desktop was never mentioned ! If this guy had a Laptop, he would still be alive today ! Remember, your biggest enemy in this World is Yourself ! You will never survive in this World , until you understand this Major Number One Rule of Life ! Timothy Treadwells biggest enemy in this World was not the Bears, it was Himself !

Some good posts here. Some hilarious even !
Here we have an example of the camp that worships animals and wants humans to go back to outer space where they came from . And the camp that plainly recognizes where the animal fits within the big picture called life/nature.
My aggravation is not with this guy Tim, the self-important retard, but with all of you arrogant folks that have deified him. You are almost worshipping him as if he is a martyr. Where does the ridiculous nonsense end?
The bears are not going extinct so quit yer blubberin’ .
Understand something my fellow space aliens: Many of the Biologists, rangers, and
wildlife managers,have an agenda. Their own factoids are typically based on assumption and fantasy. This guy Tim was just a goof living his fantasy, not a dream.
He is not the only goof in town. Around my village we have a population of equally nutty people that have deified the mountain lions that live around here. Even after their own neighbor gets a crushed skull and then eaten (yes eaten- from the back- all the organs and some meat). Kooks (you know who you are).

Nothin’ beats porridge for breakfast, and honey sandwiches are good for lunch, but for dinner I love spaghetti with bear-sausage red sauce ! Yum! And don’t forget the glass of vino !

To: asue 103

Do we want a kook like that to have a gun ? He’d be like
that murderous guy, “Vang”, in Minnesota; gleefully killing people out of hatred.

Bear attack audio uncensored:

http://damnshow.com/grizzlyman.html

Grizzly man and Timothy Tredwell are spectacular! I wish I could have known him, so few people know how to live so fully. Amy must have been equally unique to see all that he had to to offer. I hate to tell everyone, but we’re all going to die, some of us in horrific ways. I hope I’m out there doing something I feel passionate about and not sitting on my couch getting fat when my time comes.

To his family and friends: You should feel proud and lucky to have been touched my a man such as this. Thank you for sharing him with us in this movie.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! The movie is a joke. Timothy Treadwell is a fool. I am an idiot for wasting my time watching this stupid movie. They really suckered us in. Did you notice the high volume of commercials during the Discovery Channel showing? They are making a killing off this wacko’s death. How sad is it, that we are now dashing out to buy products that were advertised during this snuff film. Timothy Treadwell was a clinically sick mental case. A liar, a phony, and certainly not a scientist. Where are Timothy Treadwell’s published scientific papers on bear behavior etc? Did he really save the bears while hiding behind brush, while some guy threw rocks? Treadwell really did fuck up. He believed that he was a child, in a playground full of stuffed bears. It is sick that this freak went into school classrooms, and spoke to our innocent children about playing with death. What’s up with the grey haired lady with the pigtails? Thinking you’re a bear is a religious experience? What in the hell is wrong with this lady? Where do these people come from? The only religion this guy practiced was the religion of being an idiot. If you play with electricity, your gonna get electrocuted. If you play with fire, your gonna get burned, if you play with bears your gonna get Timothy Treadwell.

Thanks John for the link to Treadwell’s audio. I’ve never laughed so hard in my life.

Timothy Treadwell died whining like a bitch. He is more useful as bear food than he was as a person. They attacked him because they were sick of him taking naughty pictures of them while they were sleeping. It is also rumored that he let a bear have his way with him. Sick son of a bitch…

Timmy was the man he was so brave i look up to him so much for doing what he loved. He didn’t care what anybody said like i said he was the man and i will always remember him for that. Way to go Timmy

One point in the film which really struck me was the dialogue between his mother and Herzog where she talked about Timothy-he was good at school but she felt compelled to clarify he was a B student not an A student! Also, according to Treadwell’s parents he was devastated when he didn’t make it into the Cheers sitcom, his father noting he came 2nd to Woody Harrelson. So Timothy’s desperation to gain recognition from the bears does not come as a surprise.
However, this man took the easy road, replacing the bottle with bears, from one ‘edge’ to another. The wilderness does not judge you. To face human societies, values and indifference and to ‘find your soul’, fight for justice and manage your emotions against such a backdrop is a true feat.

I think tiomothy treadwell tried to proove something that was every person had the power to protect these animals and he describes in such a hatred and discrace towards the politicans limiting treadwell to help these bears. I DONT think that timothy treadwell was a complete and total wackjob but a envirmentilist out to save these beloved animals!

James Bill and John i hope each one of you gets your head clawed off by a bear!! f^$@#*

A bear can run faster than a race horse (35 mph) uphill or downhill and if you are half way between a bear and a safe location, you will not make it to safety, if the bear decides to attack.

Max,

If I got my head clawed off by a bear, like you want, sort of like what happened to Treadwell, would you then think I was an environmentalist like him, too? Would you start a whole new website in my honor and have hundreds of people comment about how brave or totally stupid I was? Would you stick up for me? Would you? eh!

I understand the criticism…I also know about love and pain…I can see the struggle in Timothy…and he painted such beautifull imagry in film. Most of us have Demons …few of us try and quell them through good deeds however misguided and tragic. I cant help but feel deeply saddened about this story…its hard to explain. Nobody knows despair like those who have hurt the ones they love.

no john because unlike treadwell you do not obviously share the same respect as treadwell in conclusion no i wouldnt

Brrrrp

Dang, these Berkeley tree hugging types always give me gas.

screw all of you big city bastards that are applauding him for his service to animal rights. The animals have a right to be left alone. The bear that ate him did exactly what wild animals are supposed to do. The only threat bears have in the wild is humans. He had no right to be out there in the wild with those bears. now when those bears see another human, they will not run away. he probably did the bears more harm than good. I dont pitty him at all, but now there is a woman and a bear who died for no reason.

this is for max, #117

What do you think tim was saving these bears from? This was an isolated area with few human to bear encounters. other than poachers, people like Tim are what true outdoorsman need to worry about. I believe in hunting animals, and I believe in eating animals, but I do not believe in exploiting them. That is exactly what tim did, he exploited those bears.

Timothy Treadwell is just another example of how people use wild animals for exploitation in order to gain celebrity or monetary benefits. In viewing “Grizzly Man”, it’s obvious that Timothy survived a near fatal drug overdose but some of his brain cells did not. I love animals and enjoy viewing wild animals, but they are wild animals and need to be treated as such. Roy Horn claims that his beloved white tiger almost tore his neck off because the animal was protecting him from the audience. That is just a desperate excuse to try and justify a wealthy animal trainer using a wild animal in order to get richer. I believe Timothy really did love these animals but he was delusional about protecting them. They are living in a huge National Park, how much protection do they need? I think as time went on, it was obvious that Timothy had some kind of death wish. He spent a lot of time in front of the camera talking about himself and his personal feelings about society. His mood changes were very abrupt ranging from sweet soft spoken almost childlike to raging and cussing making strange gestures. I believe we should let wild life remain wild and respect them and not try to turn them into pets or teach them tricks. Wild bears are not used to a human petting them on the head as if they were dogs. They are wild so lets enjoy them in that type of setting and let them have their space.

Another important question is if Timothy was strictly interested in filming wildlife and protecting bears than why did he spend so much time in front of the camera? Why was there a debate over which bandana to wear? His true love in life was wanting to be an actor, not protecting bears. When he wasn’t acquiring any parts as an actor he decided to make home movies of himself with wild Bears. I feel bad for what happened to him, but he truely didn’t know what he was doing and was labeling himself as a “Bear Expert” when he clearly was not. I’m not surprised he was eaten by a bear. I am surprised it didn’t happen sooner. Some of you defend him as if he were this incredible scientist. He was a lonely man, desperate for friends, girlfriends and felt the need to film himself because he had nothing else to do with his life. I’m still wanting to know what exactly he did for Grizzly conservation? All he did was send the wrong message about Grizzly bears. Note to self, Grizzly Bears are not cute and cuddly,and they don’t like people singing to them, they are wild animals.

This guy was a self-serving loser, and, unfortunately for the bears, sounded a lot like the Church-lady.

WOW. a great film and a very kind hearted man. I think that waht Timothy did for these bears was tremendouse. It is tragic that the bear ate him but im sure he ate him as a thnkyou for protcting me. The film was incredible i liek the song in the end that goes woooop wodoooodleooopdooodooipwooooooooo. i alsao liek the part when the bears are fighting and the bbig one takes a crap hard coar. Tomothy loved these bears and defiatly these bears loved and cared for him back. Without timothy these bears would have died much sooner. i also cried in the part of the movie that the bee died.I love you timothy.

This is for George 129,

These bears were not saved by Timothy. In fact two bears were killed because of Timothy’s wreckless behavior. Also an innocent life of his girlfriend was taken as well. So I don’t know why you think Timothy saved these bears from death. And bears are wild animals and they don’t show gestures to thank people, they don’t know how beause they are animals. The bears ate Timothy and his girlfriend because they were hungry and probalby tired of a person invading their space, not because they were thanking Timothy for protecting them. We’re not talking about Yogi Bear here.

Tim changed one drug for another. Adrenaline junkies are worse than heroin users. I found an article that said he liked to have sex near the bears. Since he was suppose to be alone I guess he was fantasizing about the bears. The male one would be my guess. Do you think he made any sex tapes using bears. Is that how he really got eaten.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Timothy did try to have sex with a bear. He was a very mentally unstable individual who actually thought he was becoming a bear himself. He was totally out of touch with reality and needed to be on medication. There was video footage of him boasting how good he was in bed, but he couldn’t figure out why women didn’t stay with him long. Gee I think I’m going to take a wild guess with this one and say, because he was Wacko.

Wacko and maybe just a little to much like a woman. I can’t believe any sane person can watch him and not see how sick he really was. That Jewel person was right there with him in my opinion. I think they should market this film as one about mental illness. Herman the German wasn’t much better. Guess he didn’t want to pay Jewel enough to put the tape in the movie.

George, you made me laugh! I liked the wooooop woooooop song too! And the way Timothy talked about the dead bee… “it’s beautiful, it’s sad, it’s tragic” hahaha! that cracked me up! I gotta admit, I laughed my butt off a few times during the movie. However, it makes me sad to think that Tim & Amie were eaten alive by a mean old bear named Ollie, or bear 141. I bet Mr. Chocolate would never had done such a thing. My final thought.. If Id been Tim’s parents, I would have said somebody please get my son outta the grizzly maze and get him some help, his mind aint right! woooooyup! woooooyup! wooooh!!!

Has anybody ever wondered why the coroner released Tims’s watch to Jewel? Why not his parents?

Yes, seems she is considered his widow. How that can be I have no idea. If Jewel was his wife why was Amie up there with him? Not my idea of a happy marriage.

Well, I hope we can all learn a valuable lesson from all of this………..
It’s not just a Timex that can take a licking and keep on ticking.

The remark Jewel made when the coroner gave her the watch struck me as odd. “Now I have it all.” What did she mean.

Jewel, now there’s a mystery…Anon that is a good question that you brought up, what did she mean by now i have it. Also when Herzog asked her if she considered herself to be Tim’s widow did you see her reaction..it was a laugh or a gasp..it was like she thought how crazy that sounds or i can’t believe you would suggest that. The parents they also seemed as though they could not care less. It deepens this mystery even more.

I noticed, then the coroner called her his widow and she looked like she liked it by then.

His dad looked like a hard a## didn’t he? I don’t think he knew what to do with someone like Tim.

Something else did you see the way he was acting in the home movie at the pool. The way he was prancing around has to make you wonder doesn’t it?

Timothy Treadwell would talk to the grizzly bears as if they were stuffed animals, and the bears would look at him as if to say…. mmmmmm I bet you taste good.

Sometimes people do stupid things, but that was over the top. To think you could live with grizzly bears and not get eaten is insane. Timothy and all his friend were nuts. Jewell looked like a crack head. Herzog sounded like a vampire, and the coroner looked crazy! Did you see his eyes? hahaha!

Yes, you described Herzog perfectly. The coroner looked kind of scary. Like I wouldn’t want to spend a lot of time with him alone.
Jewel looked like she might have a little drinking problem herself. Guess she didn’t want to try Tim’s form of therapy.
And the braid woman, she looked a little to happy didn’t she just standing there with that weird smile.

The braid woman. hahaha! Wasn’t that Loretta Lynn???

Sure was I forgot.

Hey,

The actual link to the tape is now on the net. http://www.theliberalforums.com and then click environment and then click the tim grizzly attack and there it is.

But, I would NOT reccomend listening to it.

Flakes attract Flakes…don’t believe me ask Kelloggs…All of these people have a “Pie in the Sky” outlook on this whole subject..their like “Cotton candy People” all sweet but dissolve quickly. There is no wonder there is so much speculation, the supporting cast is as crazy as Tim. I kept watching the movie and wondering is there anyone in this movie or his circle of freinds that is not a little(or alot) left of center…The coroner.. man are you right about him, i know he must of been rehearsed for his on screen debute BUT he was not all there. Something else interesting..did you notice when the scenes were shot Herzog would leave the camera running for awhile after the scene concluded..and it was like the people had strange looks on their faces like..what do i do now..or are we done yet…almost every scene was like this…i wonder has anybody else noticed this and if so what do you think.

Yes, I did but I really don’t have any idea why he did that except to fill time. I would say he didn’t have enough footage of bear boy acting any where near normal so he just shot those strange people for longer that necessary.

Being an Alaskan, I was very upset with the way Alaska was portrayed by Tim’s friends. They portrayed Alaska as a bunch of animal killers that went around killing everything in sight. Alaska is the “Great Land” because of its beauty and abundance of wildlife. I live in Anchorage and there are moose and bears living within the city. You can see them all the time. Everyone respects their presence and maintains an acceptable distance. Tim Treadwell did not. Alaska has many things to offer including big hunting and fishing expeditions. However, we have some of the best wildlife agencies working to maintain the animal populations. We have a big game refuge 30 minutes away that lets people see the animals in a natural habitat. Tim could have seen bears there. We have tons of scientists that monitor fish and wildlife populations to ensure that the animals are not becoming extinct. Tim could have joined one of these places to study the bears. He did none of these things. Another thing that people don’t realize is that Alaska has a good number of Alaskan native peoples. I feel bad that he was eaten by the bear, but if you play with fire, you will get burnt eventually. Tim’s fire was the grizzly bear and his burn was getting eaten by that bear.

To John..

It is good to hear from someone living in alaska i have wondered how you guys have felt about all the negative press about the park service and it’s questionable negligence..it has made a bad impression on the lower 48 and we know it’s by no fault of any alaskan. I have known many people living in alaska and they are all good people. Timmy was not only out of his gourd but he was out of his element and to me this in no way changes the way i feel about the state of alaska….just wanted you to know…

Curious….down in Texas

Yes John, Alaska is a beautiful state. I have friends in Fairbanks. They’ve been there for almost 20 years and love it dearly. I haven’t been to visit but I do get good photos from them all the time. A shame Tim had to go there, because any where he went it was going to end bad.

Has anybody ever thought about how the Coroner would be able to release anything to Jewel? Legally, only relatives are given items from the deceased. Maybe that wasn’t Timmy’s watch. The whole thing doesn’t make sense.
And John don’t be to upset by how Alaska is portrayed by Timmy and his wac friends because anyone with half a brain knows the guy was out to lunch. No pun intended.

Curious… yes, I noticed how the coroner just stood there looking whacked out, after he finished talking. hahaha!
Psycho! Norman Bates didnt have nothin on HIM! Creepy man! But Seriously, I think the whole thing tells that Timothy didnt want to obey any rules, therefor turned away from society, and chose to dwell in the wilderness. But not just any wilderness.. he made up his mind to live in the grizzly maze. He might as well rubbed BBQ in his hair and yelled here I am! Come get me Mr. chocolate and Aunt Melissa! I love you!

Have any of you guys seen the other movie about Tim. It’s called deadly passion. There is a book called “death in the Grizzly Maze” by Nick Jans. I’ve read parts of that but have not seen the movie.

Timothy Treadwell disobeyed the laws of the land. What a price he paid.

I must be clicking on the wrong thing… I can not get to any audio tape of the attack. can anyone help?

When you go to that website, click on environment. then click on the Timothy treadwell bear attack. Then click on this link

http://media.putfile.com/Tim-Treadwell-bear-attack

If you have a pop-up blocker on your computer hold the control key and click on that link above.

Go to Big Bear Photos Circulating on this site and read all of that.

The very little amount of Audio feed on this tape is “beautiful, it’s sad, it’s tragic.”
It doesn’t sound real. Supposedly the camera was in the tent and yet Timothy’s voice sounded so far and the bears noices sounded like he was right next to the camera. I’m not really sure how close to the tent Tim was but it would seem if you’re underneath a 1200 lb. bear, I don’t think your voice is going to be so far away yet clear and the bear sounds like he’s right next to the microphone. The tape sounds as fake as Timothy’s acting skills.

If this story is a hoax it might very well be Tim we hear on that laughable tape. Where were the tent flapping in the wind sounds?

Timothy probably was the one who drew the Happy Face on that rock. You know the one where he’s trying to convince the audience that it’s a threatening message left by the “Poachers”.
And if Timmy was able in his mind, to protect a 1200 lb. Grizzly, then why did he hide in the bushes from those harmless fishermen, I mean poachers. In other words, he was able to confront giant bears on a regular basis, yet he never confronted those fisherman, I mean Poachers. I’ve never seen footage of Tim walking up to these guys and shaking their hand while introducing himself. Oh and lets not forget the scene where Tim was wearing paint on his face and sunglasses hiding from some mystery group of people who would be camping in that very national park. He claims people would take trips to the park specifically to try and find him so they could get a glimpse and possible photo, if they were lucky enough, of the infamous “Grizzly Man”.

I don’t think Tim was playing with a full deck.
Tim needed to be in a padded cell instead of being left to harm every animal he could come in contact with in Katmai.
That’s why I think the real bear experts were using Tim in their experiments. They were hidden in their blinds watching waiting to see how long the brown bears would let nature boy run around poking his finger in there faces and telling them how much he loved them.
Come on how long would he have lasted if he had been doing that to you. Before you got sick of him and ate him yourself.

Below is part of a review from the book, ” The Grizzly Maze”.

Overall, this proves to be Treadwell friendly book but interesting and highly readable account of his end. But even the author had to admit in this book that Treadwell wasn’t a very honest individual who conned people for make-believe protection money for his bears.

Here is an interesting link to read.
http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

Just wanted you guys to know, I didn’t really love Tim back. Grrrrrrrr…..

Aunt Melissa, do you feel Tim exploted you for his own gain?

Not only did I feel he exploited me but after a while he started looking at me kind of funny. You know like, like I was one sexy sow.

For 85 years not one visitor had been killed by one of my friends or relatives in Katmai, up until Tim invaded our territory. I sure miss Ollie….

So you say Tim was sexually harassing you.
May be you can sue G.P. and Jewel.

I kind of think he may have been intrigued with anal sex with the way he was so fascinated with you know, poop.

It’s a shame that young girl had to go the way she did. She seemed kind of scared of us, I could smell it. I just can’t see one of my relatives going around dressing in human clothes, driving cars you know trying to act like a human. Well, humans shouldn’t act like us either. Just be happy with the species that you are. I teach my cubs bear behavior every day. But they are bears you know. I’m just glad nobody’s poking around in my scat anymore. I was starting to become self conscious.

Yes, I agree. He didn’t even know that poop is life only for the things that eat poop. Which I kept waiting for him to do the way he was carrying on over it.

They say he was supposed to be some bear expert, but everybody already knows that bears poop in the woods don’t they?

After spending so many summers with that Tim guy, we all started feeling like we were being cast in a Disney Production.
I sure miss Ollie….

I just listened to the tape, and I think it was fake. It did sound kinda real except I never heard Tim say run away, go away Amie and the transcript never mentioned that Tim yelled ‘Get the frying pan” or “hit it with the frying Pan’ as he said in the tape. This is a portion of what was actually told to be on the tape. >” The sound of rain hitting the tent, along with wind muffle the sounds at this point. However, Amie is clearly heard yelling to “Fight back!” She is then heard screaming “Stop! Go Away! or possibly; Run Away!” as the sound of “a frying pan is used to beat the top of the bears head”, and the sound of Tim moaning.”(Fallico 2004) Who ever did this re-enactment did a pretty good job, but I dont think it is the actual audio tape of Treadwell’s last bear encounter.

Hey Aunt Melissa… Ollie visited me last night in a dream and said to tell you he was doing great up in that big grizzly maze in the sky.

Hey guys I’m really pissed off that the Treadwell guy is gone. He was such an easy source of food for me. All I had to do was stand there looking cute and listen to him talking baby talk to me and he would feed me all kind of snacks. I didn’t even know I had a name until he came along. Now I have to act like a real fox just to keep alive. All I’m left with is a lousy hat.

I watched “Grizzly Man” four times to get past the initial shock and emotion of the film. The following are some of my findings of fact:

1) Timothy suffered from bipolar disorder, paranoia, and delusions.

2) Timothy, as he stated, preferred his “ups” and “downs” (bipolar).

3) Timothy was paranoid of reality and so he retreated from it.

4) Timothy actually believed that, when he told a bear to walk away, the bear actually understood and obeyed him. In actuality, the bear simply walked in another direction because it wanted to. This “communication with the bears” delusion put Tim in his final confrontation with the bear that killed Amie and him.

5) Timothy was not-competant to make important, life decisions for and by himself, muchless for Amie.

6) Timothy’s so-called friends KNEW he was seriously mentally ill. They KNEW he was putting his life in danger just for the sake of their pet project to “protect” the bears.

7) Timothy’s so-called friends put the value of a bear’s life above that of their supposed friend Timothy.

Tim did not have friends; he had “users”.

9) Timothy’s SO-CALLED FRIENDS ARE MORALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR AMIE’s AND TIM’s DEATHS.

10) Timothy’s so-called friends should be legally charged with two counts of “depraved indifference” - 2nd degree murder.

11) The pilot who flew Timothy to and from the Grizzly Reserve and the Grizzly Maze should be charged with two counts of “depraved indifference” - 2nd degree murder.

12) The FAA should convene an investigation and appoint a panel to review the the license of the pilot who flew Timothy to and from the Grizzly Reserve and the Grizzly Maze.

13) The individual Forest Service employees who “overlooked” Timothy’s camping in the Grizzly Maze should be charged with one count of negligent homicide. They knowingly and intentionally did not enforce the law with regard to Tim being in the Grizzly Maze.

14) To prevent a future tragedy similar to the loss of Timothy’s and Amie’s lives, Timothy’s parents and siblings together with Amie’s parents and siblings should initial Personal injury litigation againt the following: Tim’s so-called frinds; “Grizzly People” foundation; the Forest Service; and the pilot.

Had I been a friend to Tim, I would have done everything in my power to keep him safe. I keep wondering if Tim’s camping in the Grizzly Maze was, in his own way, a cry for help. And at the end when he was screaming for help, did he realize that his so-called friends were no where to be found to save him. Timothy did not know he could not lose what he never had.

Linda, could the contributors that personally knew him be added to that list?

Right on Linda:

Somebody should be held responsible..man if it were my daughter that was killed due to negligance i would be pissed …sure she made her own decision but these two broke ALL the rules and were pretty much just left alone. All they got was a slap on the wrist, a warning and in the end remained in the park. To my knowledge no one has been held responsible for anything…let’s just tell the story get entertained then sweep whats left under the rug..{bear rug that is}..Treadwell because of his mental illness should have been removed long ago, letting a mental person runaround in the wild is as much a risk to the local wildlife as posting a sign stating…

POCHING ALLOWED,BYOG
{BRING YOUR OWN GUN}

My next question is how can someone not related to them do some thing?

Not to make money mind you. To make a point.

I don’t know Anon what can be done..sometimes knowing what needs to be done and being able to do it are two separate things. Justice is not always served…the Park service messed up maybe the powers that be want to let bygones be bygones. Sometimes fault has a very distinced face but in this case it does’nt.

I can except that. I’ll just climb down off my cross and build a bridge to get over it.

Then next time I see something like this happen, and it will you know that as well as I do, I can just set back and say, yeah, I knew that was going to happen. Chalk another one up for me.

You know what it stinks that we have to accept certain things i guess for lack of a better course of action we can write our congressman

I hear you. I just hate the ” there ain’t nothing you can do” things that happen in life. Especially when its such a no brainer.

Any fan of timothy treadwell or his cause please contribute to grizzly people foundation. Its web site is

http://www.grizzlypeople.com

I think the coroner released Timothy’s watch to Jewell because his parents didnt really care. If they had, they would have gotten him out of the grizzly maze and got him some help!
They didn’t meantion even trying, did they?

I’m with you 174!
that’s not the real tape, but a very good hollywood performance, we might never hear the real one since they’re keeping it in a safe, it’s what I read somewhere else.Also someone posted that the real tape was in the web about a year ago but it dissapear quikly.What’s it means? is it out there or not, which one is it?

Any contribution to Grizzly people i have no doubt will go straight into Jewel’s pocket..especially since she does “Have it all”..the poor Bears won’t see a bloody dime. I believe i’ll just send any donation to the United States Park Service, they do a far better job at protecting the Bears. Maybe we can set up a special fund to hire a nut hunter to gaurd Katmai..that would be money well spent.

I think it’s ironic that Tim was out there pretend protecting bears from people who don’t follow the rules, while he was out there breaking just as many if not more rules himself.

Suicide is one of the symtoms of bipolar disorder. Or to put one’s self in harms way.
Timothy did just that. He sacrafised his life, and Amie’s by putting his and her life in harms way. What a chance to take. And for what? To protect the bears?
I can only imagine how Amie felt after seeing the bear almost rip his head off, then as it drug him away into the dark night, she stood there wondering…would the bear return for her? ….and then it did. I could not imagine being eaten alive by a grizzly bear.

Which would be worse I wonder, diving in a pool of crocodiles, or camping with grizzlys? Either way youd get eaten alive, torn apart bit by bit. It might be worse to be pulled under the dark water by a croc as it goes into its death roll. Steve Erwin does alot of work with crocodiles but he knows his limitations. When it came to bears, Timothy Treadwell did not know his limitations. Due to his illness he had lost touch with reality. Perhaps in his madness he became overly confident, while leading Amie to believe she would be safe with him. He mentioned in the film that he had to be like a samarai warrior, or a ’spirit’ in order to stand his ground with the bears. He thought he was invinsable. He was wrong.
I guess it’s true, pride goeth before a fall.
However, due to his ‘illness’, maybe God had mercy on him, and Amie. God rest his soul.

Below is part of a review from the book, ” The Grizzly Maze”.

Overall, this proves to be Treadwell friendly book but interesting and highly readable account of his end. But even the author had to admit in this book that Treadwell wasn’t a very honest individual who conned people for make-believe protection money for his bears.

I agree 189,
The Author of this book even said that Timothy was not completely honest. That wealthy businessman in Colorado was donating to Grizzly People and it was make believe bear protection money.

I agree with you Debbie, I had made a comparison of Steve Irwin and Treadwell earlier. And I basically said the same thing. Steve Irwin takes precautions and he makes sure his staff is safe. We can keep debating back and forth on the topic and the conclusion is Timothy Treadwell was delusional
and mentally ill. It is truely horrifying the death he and Aimee endured.

Same here. Thats a bad way to go. TT wasn’t able to understand that the bears didn’t think like humans. I know other people like that and they don’t have a mental illness so they can at least understand the danger. TT’s illness made it so he couldn’t see the danger and I think he liked the adrenaline rush he experienced every time he got close to a bear. That would explain why he was always trying to get closer and closer to them. The thrill was harder to get as time went on.

I cant believe the people that come here.
Everytime I check to see if someone else left a message, there it is! Are there any other places we could go to leave replys? haha!
Or I could take up a hobby… like filming myself. I have to admit, Ive learned alot from this, for instance information about grizzlys, bipolar disorder, dead bee’s, bear poop. It’s truly educational! And I love the whooooooooooYup! WhooooooooooYup! song!!!

For those who want more, the Discovery Channel will reshow “GRIZZLY EAT” one more time, Sunday and monday.

“CORRECTION” I Meant “GRIZZLY MAN”

I hear you Deb same here. I don’t think Herzog did them any favors by makeing this film. Personally I like to stay behind the camera.

I agree ——————-

if i was going to have one film as my crowning achievement this would not be it. This film just showed a nut gathering squirrals instead of the other way around. At the end of the movie when they are having a discussion one of TT’s freinds said “I think Tim would have liked this movie” MMMMM knowing Tim he probably would have. Nature documentary no. A study in disturbing mental conditions in a dangerous habitat…Yes

Hey JV! Im glad you and I see eye to eye
If nothing else, this has brought us together. *wink*

And as far as Timothy liking this film, I dont think so… since it didnt have a very happy ending. I think everyone has tried to find some kind of meaning, or logical explanation of the story of Treadwell and the tragic outcome. Or to make some sense of this whole thing… Like Sgt. Friday used to say, ‘Just the facts Mam’, Well the facts are…
1. Timothy Treadwell, a troubled man, couldn’t
handle life, or reality, so he went to live
with the Grizzly’s.
2. Big Mistake.
3. He got eaten, along with his girl friend.

Alot of people now trying to figure out why in the world a person would do such a thing.
Some people put guns to their heads and pull the trigger. We cant imagine why they would do such a thing. I guess there’s no figuring it out. For to do such a thing is totally insane. You couldnt be in your right mind and do such a thing. Therefore Ive come to the conclusion that Timothy was not in his right mind. The sooner we all except that, the better off we’ll be.

Deb you make some good points.
Most of the people on this post have a lot of anger towards Iimothy, myself included. When I watched that documentary, it left me with a heavy heart. And I still feel angry towards him, maybe to help myself justify stupidity in conjunction with mental illness. And everybody is certainly entitled to their opinion. But for some to idolize him as if he were some “Bear Expert” icon, I feel is absurd.
Do I think stricter precautions should be implemented from this tragedy? One can only hope.

Oops, I mispelled his name. Typo error…Timothy.

I think it’s OK to feel anger. Something as outragious as… Death In The Grizzly Maze… is enough to make anybody angry.

It kinda makes you wanna shake Timothy Treadwell and say, “WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING”!!!???? WHAT AN IDIOT!

As much as I admire Grizzly Bears, I know and understand that they are animals. They can and will kill you.

And if I camped in a little tent in the Grizzly Maze in Katmai National Park in Alaska, there would be a strong possiblity that I would be attacted and eaten by a bear.

The question is, Did Timothy know this? And if so, why did he press his luck?

I’m in love with my animal friends. I’m in love with my animal friends! In love with my animal friends. I’m very, very troubled.

I’m in love with my animal friends. I’m in love with my animal friends! In love with my animal friends. I’m very, very troubled. It’s very emotional. It’s probably not cool even looking like this. I’m so in love with them, and they’re so f-ed over, which so sucks.

Nobody friggin’ knew that there are times when my life has been on the precipice of death!

I am the Floaty Thing’s gopher-boy!

I will die for these animals, I will die for these animals, I will die for these animals.

That bear, I think, that day, decided that he had either had enough of Tim Treadwell or that something clicked in that bear’s head that he thought, “Hey, you know, he might be good to eat.”

I’ve always wished I was gay, it would have been a lot easier. You know, it’s just Bing! Bing! Bing! - gay guys, no problem. They go to restrooms and truck stops and perform sex, it’s like so easy for them and stuff.

And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for Timothy Treadwell, this bear was a friend, a savior.

I’m in love with my animal friends. I’m in love with my animal friends! In love with my animal friends. I’m very, very troubled.

I saw “Grizzly Man” without knowing anything about it. I first thought it would be a documentary about the beauty and behavior of grizzly bears. However, through Tim Treadwell’s interaction with grizzly bears, Werner Herzog shows that this film is actually about the inadequacies and insecurities of human nature.

In the film, Herzog says that death and destruction is a unavoidable reality of nature, and he has done a brilliant job in portraying that. My take home message was that everything bad in this world exists because man is too weak and feeble-minded to transcend beyond our natural tendencies to destroy his surroundings and to self-destruct. And Treadwell is the perfect example. Great job Mr. Herzog.

Treadwell displayed behavior suggestive of manic depressive disorder, or cyclothymic disorder, or histrionic personality disorder. His emotional reactions to incidents were over dramatic to the point that one questions whether it’s genuine. I also thought that he was a closet homosexual who could not accept his sexual orientation. In the film, Treadwell talks about wishing he were gay because it would be easier, but he denies being gay. He also talks about how he has trouble with keeping relationships with girls. I know this is a big assumption, but I couldn’t help but question whether he was running away from civilization hoping he didn’t have to face the reality of his sexual orientation. Treadwell is a person who does not know himself, and is afraid to find out.

GIVE IT TO ME BABY! THATS WHAT IM TALKIN’ ABOUT. THAT’S WHAT IM TALKIN’ ABOUT!
THAT’S WHAT IM TALKIN’ ABOUT!

Though it’s hard to know who’s crazier, Herzog, his subject (faux-naturalist Timothy Treadwell), or freaked-out coroner Franc Fallico (who takes altogether too much pleasure in speculating Treadwell’s last, painful, confused moments on Mother Earth), Grizzly Man cuts together hundreds of hours of Treadwell’s footage into a piece that goes from sympathetic to wry to, ultimately, scornful in steps subtle and hilarious. As the film gets underway, you feel something like admiration for Treadwell–by the time Grizzly Man ends, you hope the grizzly bear that ate him took its time. What emerges in-between is an astonishing portrait of the dysfunction that drove Treadwell to sacrifice himself and his girlfriend, the bear-fearing Amy Huguenard, to one of his beloved pals, as well as the mania that drives Herzog to retrace Treadwell’s steps on Alaska’s Kodiak Island, right into the heart of an unburnished nature he once called seething and obscene.

If I show weakness, I’m dead. They will take me out, they will decapitate me, they will chop me up into bits and pieces — I’m dead. So far, I persevere. I persevere.

In happier times, we see Treadwell as a guest on the David Letterman show. “Is it going to happen,” Letterman asks him, “that we read a news item one day that you have been eaten by one of these bears?” Audience laughter. Later in the film, we listen to the helicopter pilot who retrieved Treadwell’s bones a few days after he died: “He was treating them like people in bear costumes. He got what he deserved. The tragedy of it is, he took the girl with him.”

“This is were treadwell and i differ he felt that Harmony was essence of nature, i feel that the common thread is not Harmony but of Murder and Chaos”.

Well, everybody made some good points. But I don’t agree with Herzog. Nature is both harmoney and chaos. With no feeling for either. Life gives each of us what we are willing to take. But we have to give back to reach the full circle of life.

I can only hope that some young child that lives in bear country or fox for that matter doesn’t see this movie and thinks they can go out and be like Treadwell.

The best leaders or teachers are those who do so by example.

“Jewel you must never listen to this…you must destroy it …if you don’t it will be like a white elephant in your bedroom the rest of your life”.

speaking of course about the death tape.

This is a question for any one out there in bear country. With the late season hungry bears out there could one have been drawn to the food smell from their snacks in the tent?

“I have not destroyed the tape, i still have it but i cannot bring myself to listen to it and probably never will”.

Jewel, I can understand that. I didn’t know either personally and I don’t know that I could listen to it. I also understand how hard it is to help some one who doesn’t want to be helped. Also I hope they never release any autopsy photos. No one that cared for them should ever have to worry about seeing that.

A police report when the investigation is finished should be enough for any one out here in web world.

This answer is for #220

I have researched on the web about your question and the answer is yes…if you will use your search engine put in alaskan bear attacks and go down to black bears…this web site will tell you to never take food into your tent while camping in bear country. Why..because Bears like other predators have a super strong sense of smell, not only can they smell the food in the tent but also on your hands and clothing….The story of Treadwell’s attack said he and Amy were enjoying a snack in the tent when the Bear entered the camp..when Tim exited the tent the food scent on his hands and clothing was a enourmous attractant to a very hungry Bear..This was the catalyst i believe to the Bear making a FINAL decision to attack the both of them. Of course this is speculation but it probably had a factor in all this.

Also remember the other contributing factors.

1. camped on a active Bear trail
2. staying too late in the season
3. not disposing of food waste properly
4. thinking he could talk down a Bear
5. being a too readily available food source
6. not alot of food available.
7. last but not least too many hungry Bears.

I have to agree with other postings, I’ve found out a lot of things but mostly It has made me see myself.

At least I can use some of the knowledge if I ever do see a bear, black or brown. I think I’ll look at things differently now and wont be so quick to judge.

Oh! Herzog is going to be in Sarasota, Florida at the end of the month for the film festival.
There are a few questions I’d like to ask him!

Good point TKO.

Before I read about it, I wondered if they might have been eating and the bear smelled it.
I think that was a major contributing factor.

Bears Are Always Looking for Something to Eat!

Bears have only about six months to build up fat reserves for their long winter hibernation. Don’t let them learn human food or garbage is an easy meal. It is both foolish and illegal to feed bears, either on purpose or by leaving food or garbage that attracts them.

If a bear actually makes contact, surrender! Fall to the ground and play dead. Lie flat on your stomach, or curl up in a ball with your hands behind your neck. Typically, a bear will break off it’s attack once it feels the threat has been eliminated. Remain motionless for as long as possible. If you move, and the bear sees or hears you, it may return and renew its attack. In rare instances, particularly with black bears, an attacking bear may perceive a person as food. If the bear continues biting you long after you assume a defensive posture, it likely is a predatory attack. Fight back vigorously.

I have some helpful advise too.

DON’T CAMP OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF GRIZZLY MAZE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE BEARS ARE STARVING!!!

My advise is this:

Next time you humans come to visti us in Grizzly Maze, make sure you put on a lot of weight. I mean get nice and plump so we only have to eat one of you. Grrrrr….

And the same advise applies for if you come visit us…..Grrrrrr..

Here’s something else. Make sure you know the person really well before under takeing so dangerous a journey with them. The life you save maybe your own.

Check out the website for the story of Treadwell

http://www.yellowstone-bearman

On the evening of August 13, 1967, two women were attacked and killed by grizzly bears (Ursus arctos horribilis) in separate incidents within Glacier National Park (GNP). Following these incidents, there was speculation that due to odors associated with menstruation, women may be more prone to attack by bears than are men.

Was it possible that Amie was menstruating?

JV,

HAHAHAHAHA!

THATS GOOD HELPFUL ADVISE!

Never, Never tell a bear that you love them, because chances are they love you too. Only they love you for different reasons.
Timothy Treadwell, “The other white Meat”
Yummm…..

That’s a good question #235

I think maybe when Treadwell realized he was going to be eaten by a bear, he started menstruating.

Thanks Deb,

I’m always full of good advise. You know just trying to keep everyone safe.

Robin has some good advise of her own as well.

Maybe we should all collaborate on a safety book for those bear experts.

That sounds like fun. Hey! We know more than Timothy did when he began. I don’t know about you but I didn’t just wake up from a drug overdose/suicide attempt. Think anyone would listen to us?

Of course they would listen to us. We got the 411 on bear behavior. And it would be so easy. Everything Tim Treadwell did, we just tell people to do the oposite. It’s easy.

And for those who didn’t want to listen to us and had a burning desire to follow in Treadwell’s footsteps, we just call the suicide prevention hotline.

Tim had hid and camouflaged his camp at “the grizzly maze” within the thick alder brush.

I was walking down the trail when I smelled the open snack food coming from the tent. They were about to eat a quick snack before bed. It smelled really good. Then I growled a bit.

Thats when Tim came out and walked towards me speaking softly as he did on numerous occasions encouraging me to leave.

I keep my distance and when it appears that this will be like any other encounter, Tim suddenly Yelled out to Amie to turn the camera on which startles the heck outta me! I had been still up to this point, but that triggered the attack. Up until that point, I had just been sizing Tim up and making a judgment of threat level.

Bears often attack, or defend themselves by first going for the head in an attempt to take out the opponents weapon. The face, mouth and head. I had worn broken canines and was unable to make use of this tactic, along with the fact that the human head is just too large to fit directly inside of a bears mouth. “Often ripping and tearing the scalp, ears, and face”.

Amie suddenly appeared and was making a lot of noise. I became scared and let go of Tim and backed away.

Amie and Tim had a short conversation while determining where I was, and whether I was still nearby. Amie is cautious and I could sense she was afraid of me. Amie then walked over to Tim and told him to lay still. But the smell of the snacks was making me so hungry I couldnt stand it any longer so I drove her away. At this point I believe Tim realized that this was not a typical bear encounter and that playing dead was not going to work and the wrong response, so he yelled at Amie to “hit the me!”.
Then that Amie chick started hitting me over the head with a frying pan! I had to drag Tim away at that point to get away from her.

Then as I was trying to enjoy my snack, she kept screaming and I already had a migraine from not eating in days. That’s when I knew I had to do something to keep her quiet. I didnt want more dominant bears to hear and try to come in and steal my snack.

As I came back toward the tent she screamed louder as ran around the tent. I went left and she went right, dodging and weaving around the tent, then finally I leaped over the tent and caught her.

I heard that Tim was there to protect me.
Who’s to blame? Only Tim, and of course Amie for trusting Tim. But then who can really say?
After all, I am just a harmless party animal!

Sounds like a winner to me. What can we use for a title.

HOW NOT TO GET EATEN BY THE BEAR YOU ARE STUDING.

PLEASE DON’T BABY TALK THE BEARS.

THE TREADWELL METHOD OR COMMEN SENSE,YOU BE THE JUDGE.

Think we might be able to use any of these?

Have you ever heard that song ” Where’s Timothy?” It’s about 4 boys that went to explore a cave and became traped? When they were rescued there were only three and they didn’t want to tell anyone they had eaten Timothy.

You bears could do a song like that!

I have to wonder, Did Tim still think that grizzly bears were “mainly harmless, party animals”, as the bear attacked, and then dragged him away from camp ?

No, I don’t think he did, sorry if I ofended anyone with the above comments.

Perhaps one of the more interesting aspects regarding Dexter’s death is his lionization by many people who refuse to see Tim for what he really was. For those folks there is simply no hope. They are as entombed in their own fantasy about this man as he was entombed in his. To them, Tim was merely following his dream, passionate about his work, compassionate toward the animals he loved, and a true pioneer in the field of bear behavior. Always having honorable intentions and motives, Dexter showed the world that man can live with Brown Bears in peace and harmony.

Such chimerical nonsense proves that people often believe what they want to believe and disregard the rest. The truth is what little they really know of Dexter comes mostly the myth of Timothy Treadwell, the bear whisperer . . . the public persona he created. Much of that persona was a total fabrication born of the necessity to find some sort of purposeful existence, an existence where Tim could live by the rules — but only those rules dictated by Tim.

Alaska seems to be some sort of magnet for those in the lower 48 with dysfunctional internal compasses. It’s as if the wilderness and the wildlife therein exist merely to dispense epiphanies, cure mental illnesses, or comfort lost souls. Perhaps in ways I’ll never understand that may be true for some, but all too often Alaska is the last refuge for those like Chris McCandless who took a ride on the bus – Fairbanks 142 – and never came back. Boarding that bus is optional. It has only one destination. All it takes is a one-way ticket and an empty head. Like Chris, Tim rode it too, only his ride lasted 13 years.

Today, both Chris and Tim are the stuff of legend. For reasons unknown to most of us, they inspire certain people who seem to think they had some kind of meaningful insight into what’s life’s all about. It sort of reminds me of the people who followed Forrest Gump on his jog across America, only this time at the end of the run, instead of waiting for Forrest to tell them what it was all about, they just applaud and cheer to show their appreciation for an aimless quest.

It’s easy for some folks to mistake celebrity for worth, passion for mania, compassion for depression, acceptance for tolerance, and love for necessity. In the end, it was all about Tim, and in the end, defending Dexter, or trying to justifying his pointless death, is nothing but an exercise in self-deceit. Sadly, his legacy will never square the balance. It will be always be measured as mere celebrity . . . and nothing more.

Also, I like Robin and JV’s ideal about writing a safety book for bear experts! And Im thinking of writing a few songs too! I have a few ideals for songs….

1. If You Cant Be With The Bear You Love, Love The Bear You’re With. By: Crosby, Nash & Youngbear
2. Teddy Bear. By: Elvis
3. Im Caught In a Bear, I Can’t Walk Out. ‘Elvis’
4. Nobody Knows It But Me. By: Baby ‘Bear’ Face
5. Because Of You. By: Kelly Clarksbear
6. Loser By: Three Bears Down
7. How Am I Suppose To Live Without You. By: Michael Bearton
8. Shiny Happy Grizzlys, By: B52
9. Teddy Bear, Teddy Bear
Turn Around
Teddy Bear, Teddy Bear
Touch The Ground ‘Artist Unknown’
10. Running Bear Loved Little Treadwell By: Grrrrrronimo
11. You’re Beautiful. By: James Bluntbear

To JAB

RUN FORST RUN!

RUNNING BEAR LOVED LITTLE TREADWELL thats too funny. It’s so perfect.

GOOD ONES DEB!!!!!!!!!!!

I liked them all.

Very good ideas Robin and Deb,

You are to funny.
Ya know Deb I vote for #1 Crosby,Nash and Youngbear. But all of them are clever.
Do you remember that song by Rockwell,”Somebody’s Watching Me”?
Throw a little Paranoia Schizophrenic Theme in there.

Hats off to “Run Forest Run” !!!LMAO!!!

And Robin in response to 245, I like the last one.
Now we need some visual imput. Hey, we could use that photo that’s circulating of Timmy. You know the one where he’s wearing a plate of food while a Grizzly is looking on. That would drive the message home.

Hello, this is Timmy the fox’s mother. I’m afraid that monkey boy was a bad influence on my son. He has run off. I went into his room last night to tell him good night and I found this note.

Mom: I know you will be sad to find me gone but I must follow my dream. To become the Human Whisperer. If you need me send e-mail.
Your devoted son. TTF

I tried to contact him last night but my computer had a major melt down. So if any of you nice humans see him please send him home.
Thank you IRIS>

Mommie…this is Timmy i was playing on the net and found your message i have come to Malibu California to seek the roots of my human mentor Tim T. but you know mom people are starnge here and have very strange reactions to foxes…just the other day walking down the street i saw a sign that said Foxy Mamas…i thought goody goody i’m going to see some of my own kind, i can link up and begin my study of humans….Well i went in ..and Mama there were humans in there without clothes i was terrified, they started screaming and yelling, i ran as fast as i could..but you know “i love my human freinds, i love my human freinds i love my human freinds…they are so F#*ed over but i love them…I have to go now i think i saw uncle banjo who got lost , funny though he was hanging around the neck of a human, and the human seemed very stiff, but the human must have been special because she was in a window for all to see. I kept calling out to uncle but he never responded…i think i will hang out here awhile till uncle Banjo wakes up then we will be off together…to protect these humans.

see you mom. TIMMY

OH Timmy!! I fear I have failed you. You missed to many lessons while you were following monkey boy.

Humans kill us for our fur, then they don’t even eat us. They use our fur to adorn their privileged few, not even for warmth.

Humans are so stupid.

Yes, that is poor Uncle Banjo. Run Timmy Run!!!!

Mommie…i met this really nice human he said he was a taxidermist (whatever that is) he is so nice and is always admiring my red fur.he said he will help me in my quest. I still don’t know why uncle Banjo still will not answer me when i speak to him…he seems to be sleeping a long time.. mommie…nice to hear from you i have to go this new freind told me he was going to show me how this thing called fermaldihyde works…i’m so excited

by for now Timmie the grown up Fox.

You may be grown up but you should still listen to your Mama. That man is not your friend. He is the same one who did that to Uncle Banjo and your Granddad. Remember him?

OMG, did you say taxidermist, fermaldihyde!!! Timmie that doesn’t sound good at all. You’re going to end up worse than monkey boy. AHEEEEEEEE. Boy! Get away from the bad human.NOW!

MaMa MaMa….help me ..make the bad man stop!!!!

Oh no its dark i’m feeling weak….my fur is tingling…..why am i strapped to this table….HELP ME HELP ME……….!!!!!!

Hush little baby don’t you cry DADDY going to sing you a lullaby….hahahahaha…..

Hold still this will only hurt for a moment…

Oh such pretty fur just like that other Fox…

Hush your momma is not here your a big fox now!

Please, Mr. taxidermy man don’t hurt my foolish child. He was only trying to be like that stupid human they let come live here.

How ever shall I go on. We never asked for any of this S–t to happen. When will you humans ever understand that we don’t mind when you study us from afar. It benefits none of us when we get to close to each other. Only sorrow and death.

I sure miss Ollie(141)

Wow, I never realized so many wild forest animals could type so well. Who would have known?

Idiots. I don’t know about you but I’m an adult…maybe you all should try and actyour age.

Deb,

Have you gone yet to that website with detailed info. on Timothy?

People are going to write what they want on this post, you’re not going to change them.
I’m just curious, who is Iris and Uncle Banjo?
Are these names that Treadwell came up with?

this is 4 jenny,

You are an idiot if you chose to read it and then turn around and complain about it.

Run Jenny Run…..Mutha f***

jenny is more than likely a T.T. suck up anyway.

I feel like I’m reading a script for a Walt Disney Movie. You people are funny, at Mr. Treadwells expense of course. But that was his choice.

If you had paid attention you would know I’m the fox that Tim told his life story to. Tim couldn’t communicate with humans himself so he taught us how. Did a good job didn’t he. Hell he even left us these computers so we could talk to you stupid humans.

I’m with you JV,
I can’t keep track of all the names Timothy had for his so called animal friends. But I think stupidity is when you talk and sing to Grizzly bears not because you don’t remember all the names some wack job gave to the animals.

The stupid F***ing human is T.T. and all those who worship him. Iris you seem to be doing a fine job talkin to yourself, does that mean you are a stupid human too…..???

Run Iris Run……

Okay, I’ll give you that one. He did give us to many stupid names but you humans couldn’t pronounce my name in fox so we’ll have to use IRIS. I don’t know if Deb went to that site but I did and now I know what the true hoax is.

There are people who want you to think that they died in the day time so that they can perpetuate this lie about poachers killing T&A.

I’m just a dumb animal and I can see right through that ploy. Come on Jewel you can do better than that. I was born at night but not last night. As for you I think you must have just fallen off the turnip cart.

If there had been poachers out there don’t you think there would have been something done by now. Troopers and Rangers have no reason to lie. Unlike some people.

I was working busy as a busy bee, when suddenly I died.

It’s beautiful, it’s sad, it’s tragic.

I couldn’t believe that Tim guy swatted at me when I was in that dead fox’s eye. What a jerk! gezzzzz bzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Thanks Born2shop,

I’m sure Timmy had many more stupid names for his make believe animal friends that we will never know. And Jewel is just as wack as Timmy. In Treadwell’s Paranoid Schizophrenic mind, he probably heard the animals talk back to him.
The true hoax is Timothy Treadwell casting himself as some bear expert. He conned people for make believe bear protection money so that he could live life with out having to worry about a real job. We all know he was wack, but he was also dishonest and Wack.
And Jewel films some bear carcass that is so decayed nobody would have been able to determine poachers. This was a pathetic effort on her part to save face on Timothy’s behalf. I seriously doubt she was able to fool to many people.

Yeah that Jewel chick has this dumb A** F***ing look on her face when she’s standing over the dead bear. I couldn’t even make out if it was really a bear or some other animal.

Hey JV, do you think Jewel will be trying out for a part on CSI ????

I’m going to take a wild guess and say Jewel will not be a cast member on CSI. Her acting skills were just as poor as her dead husband. Tim was her husband wasn’t he? If she’s his widow, yeah I guess that makes him her husband.

Yes the whole f–king thing is a hoax. And the discovery channel and GP are purpuating it.

His irrating voice droning on and on I love you, I love you and that stupid baby talk. Hell, I don’t even talk to my kits like that.

You can see what being around him has done to me. Now I can out cuss a drunken sailor.

You super smart humans should put people like him in a cage and let us animals come look at them.

As for that dead bear, that was cousin BOO BOO and he died of old age. Parts were missing because we all have to eat.

It’s an eat or be eaten world out here kiddies and mother nature has no feelings.

Yeah, jewel is a widow. What a joke.
And you made a good point JV. I don’t know how anyone could be stupid enough to believe her with the poacher crap. And I did go to that website about Timothy and it was interesting and very descriptive. I don’t think it matters if it happened at night or in the Day. Poaching can happen at both times. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that poaching was not an issure here. That was his excuse to get and con money out of his supporters. So every point you made JV, I agree with 100%.

And IRIS,

Just remember very seldom do you encounter humans as stupid as Timothy Treadwell. He was an expert at that.

That wasn’t the only thing he was an expert about. I say he was expert in stretching the truth to fit his need. He conned a lot of people. But you can’t con a hungry bear. He found that out the hard way didn’t he.

So much waste the money given under false pretense the lifes lost because of human arrogance. Tim and his cohorts arrogance that is.

I know there are humans out there that do care and study us the right way. Use your money wisely make sure it goes to what you give it for. Be careful giving to charities that don’t make more than $25,000 they don’t have to put much down on their IRS forms.

And to all you people who gave treadwell the cameras and the camping supplies and the money to go out there you are as much at fault as poor Ollie. To bad they didn’t do the same to you that they did to him.

Well at least we all agree on one thing, Tim Treadwell was a delusional, exploiting con artist who suffered from a very serious mental disorder. And that wild animals can’t love us back, they can only do what mother nature intended.

I just remembered I’ve got to finish the Bear Safety manuel for bear experts like T.T.
I wonder if Ghost the Fox will release that hat of Tim’s, because it was so F—ing importing for the expeditions. It must have been Tim’s thinking cap.

It was also important

Well said JV. That cut right to the chase.

It’s all good!!

Ha, Ha….
Like that stupid cap was going to keep him safe. From what the rain???

Don’t laugh thats were he kept his brain. And it was oh so good.

TO JV:

Banjo was a name T.T used ….it’s sad that i know that…if anyone wants any detailed info on T.T just type Yellowstone Bearman into your search engine and it will take you to the site. and be sure and watch “Ultimate Survival” on Discovery he makes reference to T.T.

Thanks TKO,
I must admit, I do have a hard time keeping track of all those names. I only watched “Grizzly Man” twice. The first time, I was in disbelief and shock.

I found IRIS from reading previous post. Then I remembered seeing that part in the movie. Banjo I didn’t know. Thanks.

TO JV

I know what you mean.. i have watched it about 6 times it’s hard to admit that but something on this just keeps sucking you in like a swirling vortex…i too was in shock. Now i’m not sure how i feel about it its like a gambit of emotions running wild. After all this we might all need therapy..

That’s the truth is there a therapy thread out there anywhere I think I need one. Its a magnet and I’m a metal shaving.

TKO,

I think that is why people come to this post to imput their feelings as a form of therapy. Somehow it helps them deal with the feelings of anger and frustration. Just venting helps to get different feelings out on the table. It’s easy to become intrigued with T.T.’s life and death because he was like nothing anybody had ever heard of. It’s just so bizarre beyond explanation.

yes JV,

Human nature is very inquisitive especially when it comes to oddities.

Who’s to blame for the death of Treadwell?
I think it was Woody Harrelson. He’s the one that beat Timothy Treadwell for an acting part in “Cheers”. After that, Timothy spiraled down.

Funny how nobody can confirm that story. Tim told his parents that he was second choice to Woody. But that is probably one of his delusional thoughts as well. He probably made that up so his parents wouldn’t be to disappointed in him. Who knows.

People who are on drugs make a lot of things up.

he was F***ed upHe was F***ed up dude…

Ironic isn’t it the ones who need to stay on drugs to have a normal life can’t. While ones who don’t need them can’t stay away.

The only way I would stay in ‘the grizzly maze’ to film the bears is if I had a titanium cage built around me and Id have a 30.6 rifle with me. That would be the only way!

No way I’d go there for any reason. I’ll take my pictures from a safe vantage point with a professional guide.

I on the other hand, will just look at pictures of Grizzly Maze from the internet.
That’s about as close to a Grizzly as I want to be.

After watching “Growing Up Grizzly”, narrated by Brad Pitt, I kind of had a desire to visit Doug and Lynne Seus who live in Utah with their orphaned Alaskan Grizzlies.
Even though they are hand raised bears, they still can be dangerous. I remember when Brad had met “Bart the Bear” for the first time, he looked as though he needed to change his underwear. The head on that bear was massive.

I think that bear could have fit 3 adult heads in it’s mouth with room to spare.

Any more than a mouthful is a waste.

Losing the part on “Cheers” was just another tall tale fabricated by Dexter. None of the people who knew him can or will verify the story. Most of them say it wasn’t true. No one from the Cheers crew has confirmed it either.

By the time the “Woody Boyd” character was developed, “Cheers” was a hit show, one of the highest rated programs in TV history. It had already chalked up a 3 year run. The character of “Woody” was created because Nicholas Colasanto had passed away. He played the part of “Coach Ernie Pantusso”, better known as just “Coach”.

Harrelson, who got the part, had some limited experience as he had spent time in New York as an actor on Broadway. He also had a degree in Theater. Dexter lacked any noteworthy experience or credentials . . . other than he was a real bartender which hardly qualifies you as either a Bear Expert or an Actor. Seems Tim lacked credentials in many areas, doesn’t it?

Everyone knows that Timmy just made that up so he didn’t look bad to his folks.

Buzz,

All good points….

Jack Daniels is a liquid panty remover

Personally I’m glad he didn’t get the part if he did try out for it. Tim would have walked naked over hot coals if it would have guarantee him fame. His equivalent was to go play with half ton bears in a place where they were already use to people so they didn’t eat him right away.

The bears would have done us all a favor if they had eaten him that first year.

Well, he would have been eaten earlier and some say Treadwell was a lot smarter than anybody gave him credit for. But he was just lucky for all those years. Bears don’t want to attack unless they feel threatened. T.T.’s luck finally ran out. He pushed his luck when he decided to stay later in the season because in his crazy mind, he felt that he had finally been accepted into the bears world. And he really thought the bears would not harm him.
What an idiot.

Yeah, I know that. He was a megalamoron, la grand idiot.

I think Tim Treadwell was brilliant!
He lived with the grizzly’s for 13 yrs. then staged his death along with Amie’s and now they are in another country living well off loaded with money from the film. Sometimes they invited Elvis over for snacks.

To Deb,

I think you need your ass kicked for making up songs about Treadwell. And Id like to be the one to do it! Or better yet, drop you off in the grizzly maze.

Carla:

Do I smell another Dexter lover. Perhaps you would like to become the next uneducated bear whisperer? Lets see how long you can make it!

Oh and as for songs this is one of my favorites written by Amon:

Come and listen to my story of a man named Tim
A poor Californian barely kept himself fed
Then one day he was sitting round the shack
trying to find a way to make a little cash
Bread, that is. Dough, don’t you know.
So he went up to Alaska saw himself a bear
thought it was his brother with a whole lot of hair.
A big party animal just a little bit square

Now old Tims in a grizzle bear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO,

Remmy Martin,
Ha,,,,That is priceless.
Carla, for your information Deb was being funny. Maybe you need to get a sense of humor. YOu want to follow in T.T.’s footsteps, go ahead but I don’t think to many of us will be calling the suicide prevention hotline on your behalf. Wench!!!!
You sound just as dumb as Treadwell was.

These Treadwell worshipers are pathetic.

Couldn’t agree more JackD, seems most have anger management problems. How mature to want to beat some one up for being funny. Do you think they have the same amount of education that their intrepid zero had?

Oh Carla,,,,

Mr. Chocolate and I are cordially inviting you to come spend some time with us here in Grizzly Maze. We are awefully hungry for human contact. It won’t cost you anything, well,,,,,,,, maybe and arm and a leg. Don’t worry, we won’t consume your brain matter. I don’t think there is much nutritional value there anyway. Oh, would you mind bringing the barbecue sauce? Grrr…….

Oh, one more thing Carla,

Would you be a dear and tell me about how much you weigh?

This is for Carla,

Sounds like you may have something in common with Timothy Treadwell. Bi-polar disorder causing severe mood swings. If you want to be angry with someone, be angry with yourself for displaying such immature behavior. Maybe you really don’t have a sense of humor due to a social imbalance. I feel sorry for you.

The Bearman has added some interesting things today. Just look at all the things Dexter was doing to help the bears and the environment. Leaking oil drums scattered around. Nice going Dumbo. In case you don’t know it takes only one drop of oil to make a bird lay eggs that will never hatch. Leading tourist without a license. Its a miracle he didn’t get more than one person killed.

To all you Dexter Moonies you sure know how to pick your heros don’t you. The moonies thing I found on another site. Thought it fit because you people need a good brain washing.

Since I’ve watched the documentary a few hours ago I haven’t been able to get Treadwell out of my mind. I’ve been searching for answers to questions like: how the hell was he able to get away with being so close to the bears, and was he unbalanced or a genious? Well I finally came to the conclusion that he was a very lonely, unbalanced, unstable person who should have been committed, but his family and friends didn’t have the guts to speak up. I know if someone I knew was that friendly with bears like he was I’d have to take some serious action. It goes to prove time and again that most people are too caught up in their own self-indulgent lives to consider that others may be calling out subconsiouly for help, like Timothy was doing? My heart goes out to him.

TO:

JV, DEB, AUNT MELISSA,AND REMMY

You guys are a hoot, great humor LOL..that song about T.T to the tune of the Beverly Hilbillies is a classic and should be recorded and the proceeds sent to Aunt Melissa and family for their loss…”i miss ollie too” ..keep it coming guys i wake every morning and can’t wait to read the postings..On a side note if anyone watched the Discovery Channel you saw the episode last night called “How to Survive”..in it there was a segment about Bears…what i learned here is Bears are extremly agressive at night, even more so than the day their two types of behavior switches to full power predatory at night…well according to the experts a Bear will enter a camp or a group of people at night were it will not go during the day….Hmmm something further to let our minds wonder about..

Also i would like to add that i also learned that the average Bear can smell a open container of food up to 20 MILES…..20 MILES

HEAR’S A THOUGHT …If in the Alaskan wild how many Bears would smell and come running to your can of spam….Bears within a 20 mile radius that is.

And just one more thing…

Bears can run up to 25 to 30 mph….you might want to cut your lunch hour short …of course just in the wild…

I watched that also thought it was informative. Having never seen bear spray before I was amazed at that puts yard guard to shame. I didn’t know that more people are mauled and killed by black bears either. So started me reading again.

For the life of me I can’t understand why Tim didn’t know better how to handle that bear that night. Some bear expert, huh? Forgot he thought the bear understood him. Yea right.

Thanks Remmy, TKO, Jack Daniels, Born2Shop & Aunt Melissa! I also look forward to reading the postings here everyday.

I read somewhere that if Tim had handled the situation differently he might have avoided the attack that night. He may have yelled to Amie to turn on the camera which startled the bear and caused it to attack.

I watched the show on Discovery last night ‘How To Survive’. Seems it is true that bears are more aggressive at night. Tim should have never set up his camp near the bear trail, in the thick alders. And in October, when the bears are looking for their last big meal before hibernation. In my opinion, Tim was no expert on bears. He was rebelious and just plain stupid. If he had obeyed the rules of the park, to move his camp ever so often and keep a safe distance from the bears he and Amie would still be alive.

Also, if they had stayed out of the grizzly maze, it would have never happened. I guess what freaks everyone out, it that it was such a stupid thing to do. I makes no sense. Kinda like Carla. hahaha!

Tim thought the rules were for every body but him. I keep wondering why they didn’t have bear drills so that both would know what to do in case something did happen.

If I had been in their shoes I know that’s what I would have done.

I don’t live where I have to worry about grizzles but black bears are here so at least I’ve learned a lot about what to do if I see one of them. I don’t know if I could make a bear think I badder than it is but I’ll sure give it a try if nothing else works.

Nature in her timeless beauty is a gift to us all. By increasing ones knowledge base and providing tools to enhance safety, we are more fully able to enjoy all that she has to offer. Unprepared, she can be unforgiving and deserves our utmost respect. With that respect, nature will continue to give us solitude or companionship, beauty and sustenance, as well as a oneness with all living things.

The grizzly bear is indifferent to man. He as no fear of man and will attack if he feels like it. Sometimes he may not attack and may run away. The best thing is to avoid him and never surprise him. If he does attack he rarely sustains his attack, after you play dead. Remember he is a very big animal and his weight alone can kill.

1.Get as much distance as you can between your eating/food-preparation area and your sleeping area, preferably with natural barriers such as rocks, trees and creeks in between.

2.Sleep in a tent. Do not allow any food odors to get inside your tent. Otherwise, bears might come into your tent looking for food’and find you.

3.Grizzly bears are responsible for most bear-attack fatalities, while black bears are generally more interested in making a meal out of your food than out of you.

4.It has been suggested that if you are attacked at night, especially while sleeping, that you fight back with any means possible. Bears that attack at night see you as a food source. They are not very likely to give up if you play dead.

What the hell was Timothy thinking????

Thats it he wasn’t thinking. He really thought that the bears had accepted him into there ranks.

I’d never thought to put my gear between me and the tent wall. Being closterphobic I can’t stand being in a tent and prefer a hammock strung between two trees but I don’t see me doing that any more except where I know there are no bears.

If a bear comes in the tent you should use you flash on your camera to blind it. A air horn like you use on a boat would also be good to scare it. Bear spray don’t leave home without it. Don’t use fruity smelling soap and shampoo either and no perfume.

I found a cool live video of a bear charging!
I had to download it ‘BearCharge.wmv’
on msn. It’s cool!

Thanks Deb. That was cool.

A bear drill, hmmm Now how exactly would you carry out a bear drill?

All of you I find very entertaining and I do enjoy posting with you. Each of you displays your own personal sense of humor and creativity that I find very refreshing.
However that does exclude the Party Animal Treadwell Butt Buddies. People who display the level of immaturity that our beloved Carla has bestowed upon us, makes me want to gag myself. I would rather watch poop dry than read that kind of post. I don’t know if I’m getting my point accross. Please let me know if I’ve missed a point or two.

For some reason, I’m missing all of these shows you people are referring to. Hopefully they will re re-aired.
Thanks again TKO for the compliment, Ditto…

I loved it when Treadwell interviewed Mickey the bear after that big fight! LOL

Carla has yet to tell Aunt Melissa her weight.
Ive been waiting for her reply.
Who knows? Carla may be as big as a bear and very well able to kick my butt.
I bet if Carla and I did fight she’d be like that bear that pooped! hahaha!

It’s something I found today. If you plan on using bear spray get a couple of inert cans and practice getting it out and spraying it so that you know you can use it effectively if you need it. Make sure everyone in camp knows what to do if a bear comes. If you fight a bear off of someone stand your ground and keep fighting don’t turn your back. Make yourself as big as you can if there are more than one of you stand and move together as one. If you are in your tent make sure all come out together and stay together. The more people the less likely the bear will come after you. Try backing out of camp and just let the bear have what it wants. Don’t run or scream historically its not going to help you and may make the bear see you as prey.

There are times when none of these things will work. As they say sometime you get the bear sometimes the bear gets you.

But if every one with you knows what to do you all stand a better chance of walking away unhurt. I think of it like a fire drill in school or at home be prepared. If you think of it that way it makes sense. And always report any aggressive bears you encounter even if you walk away unscathed so someone going in the area after you knows there could be an aggressive bear in that area.

That was suppose to be hysterically. Yes the bear seemed so interested in him didn’t it. Deb you are funny I like that she’ll be pooping bit. They are the Dexter Moonies, having no mind of their own to use just follow the leader no matter how stupid he may be.

Oh Carla,,,,,

Guess what we’re having for dinner….

Aunt Melissa, I can smell the Carla Pot Pie now.. yummy!

Reminds me of that movie ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’

YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF MORONS! Timothy Treadwell was a sweet and caring man. His only interest was protecting those bears. He loved them and gave his life for them. Amie must have loved Timothy more than life to stay with him. That’s a love you all would surely know nothing about.

Oh Carla, get real… You are suffering from denial. And I gather from reading your comments that you may suffer from bipolar yourself, as did Tim. You know, the highs and lows etc. I pity you.

Also I was doing some reading of the transcript of the audio tape, and it does say that after Timothy yelled for Amie to get out here, Im being killed. She yelled ‘play dead’ and then Timothy yelled ‘hit it with the frying pan’.. and then yelled for Amie to ‘run away’ or ‘go away’. Im kind of thinking now that that may actually be the origional tape!
Anyone agree?

Yes, he did so much for the bears and the environment. Leaking and abandoned fuel and oil cans are just so beneficial. As for love I hope I never have someone love me like that. He did nothing for the bears darlin’ he cost two of them there lives.

He was playing with the bears. And doing a poor job at that. He was a joke, what he was doing was a joke and you my dear are a joke.

I still think the one we’ve heard is a fake. Or at least the one I heard didn’t sound real. There was no sound of a zipper when Amie came out of the tent. If you’ve ever been in a tent when the wind is blowing that hard it makes popping snapping sounds that I didn’t hear. Besides I don’t see them letting it out without money changing hands.

I could be wrong but I’ve seen a few humours spots out there. Have you found the one where there are a couple of guys one dressed in a bear suit?

Oh Carla,,,,

How much do you weigh??? Don’t bother including your brain in that weight, because I’m sure it doesn’t weigh much anyway. Aside from the fact that it would be considered “empty calories” anyway. Poor nutritional value you know.

Carla,,,,

Don’t pass judgement on us. I do know about love. I love you Carla, all my friends love you Carla. We LOVE meat!!!! The other white meat. Carla,,,,don’t go into a Treadwell Tantrum….

Carla dear you must be careful about getting yourself so upset, you might start pooping if you get to upset. And Timmy’s not here to fantasize about your poop. And we all know how he obsessed about that.

Carla, I have to say, I love you just as much as I loved that Treadwell guy………….NOT!

You poor ignorant wench. Do you really think we liked that Friggen weirdo following us around talking baby talk and milling through our scat? Because of him, my friend Ollie is gone along with that other bear that T.T. had not named yet. That guy had some serious anger management issues, you know just like you do. Not to mention the fact that he was starting to look at me funny, you know like I was one sexy sow. That just sent shivers up and down my fur….
Carla, the guy was not playing with a full deck. One brick short. The elevator didn’t reach the top floor. Not all tires were touching. Are you following me here Carla????

Hello,
I’m Spirit the wolf, Timmy didn’t know me but he heard me howl quite often. Carla, if you don’t want to visit the bears. My family and I would be more than happy to come to you. Just tell me where you live.

TO AUNT MELISSA:

You are funny, you should consider a stand up routine on this …i read your postings and laugh and laugh…halarious. And Remmy the Dexter Moonie title just fits man it fits…

DEB….#334 posting.. was very moving and extremely poetic.

JV….again i agree with you everyone’s input and opinion is great and what America is ALL about…. FREEDOM and DIVERSITY.

CARLA…just to exspress your opinion on a subject does not make you a moron…i have yet to hear any intelligent input from you.

REASONS WHY T.T HAS DRAWN SUCH CRITICISM.

1. REBELLIOUS TO PROTOCOL OF NATURE STUDY.
2. BROKE THE RULES OF STATE PARKS
3. CLAIMED HE WAS A AMERICAN DISSEDENT
4. ATTACKED THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO TEACH HIM
5. ENDANGERED OTHER PEOPLE(DUE TO BEAR CONTACT)
6. ENDANGERED THE BEARS
7. CAUSED TWO BEARS TO BE KILLED
8. DISHONEST AND UNINTEGRAL ABOUT ANIMAL STUDY
9. MISREPRESENTED HIS PURPOSE AND CREDENTIALS
10.NEGATIVE ROLL MODEL FOR LIKE MINDED PEOPLE
11.CAUSED THE DEATH OF AN INNOCENT PERSON

THE LIST IS ENDLESS….THIS IS NOT A PERSON THAT SHOULD BE REVERED OR LOOKED UP TO…

Pity yes…..revered NO.

Thanks TKO you can be counted on to keep the facts straight. The moonies just came to mind the other night when I was reading the Pro T post.

His supporters are so blind when it comes to their posting. Only want to see one side.

Remmy:

They won’t stop and consider all that T.T has done…. by disobeying the Park Authorities and getting by with it, he maps the way for other lunatics to go out and do what he did or worse….as Deb said the Wild is a bueatiful and almost sacred place that has not been tainted by human contact, there is a certain innocense there that people like Tim in his arrogance would remove….” I came to protect these animals”….was his words…the best protection for any wildlife is to stay far from them and leave them ALONE. Observance is fine but from afar were they do not feel threatened by us. I watched a professional studying Bears on Discovery.. and she was in a covered and protected observation blind, and was at a good distance…this is how it’s done. The Dexter Moonies can Glamourize Tim all they want too, but they never consider the truth or reality….

TRUTH & REALITY

Tim was a egotistical, rebellious,self serving,self important,dillusional liar…with a severe mental disorder….Thats the Reality

Suger Coat that anyway you see fit……but TRUTH IS TRUTH!!!!!

Lets drink to old Tim Dexter
Yes, lift your glasses high
As long as there’s a Katmai
Lets let his memory die
That he was harming bears
never once occurred to him
For I doubt that they’d still be there
If it was up to men like him.

i was deep;y moved about the passage the one leady said about how treadwells beautiful work would have never been known if he hadnt died. i think that is true. i think tim is like an artist of the wilderness and that every one should stop making fun of him or cussing him out. i meen hes dead give him respect. not on single person deserves to be a bears meal. also im not saying…”hey every one lets go out and live in the grizzly maze but we as people should respect timothy treadwell and the work he performed as an envirmentalist and a a great person

please donate to grizzly people to save the alaskan grizzlys

http://www.grizzlypeople.com

I want to hear the audio for Tim Treadwell

Do the brown bears in Alaska need to be helped?

How exactly was he a great person?

He took beautiful pictures and video that would have been better if he had stayed behind the camera.

As for respect, that must be earned.

Oh,,,Max…..

Would you mind telling me about how much you weigh dear????

MAX,,,,,

Are you kidding me? This shows how much you understand the real person Treadwell was. You say that nobody deserves to be a bears meal. Ok well Timmy “eat me” Treadwell, video recorded himself saying that he would be honored to be bear scat. Now you sit back on your computer chair and ask yourself: Does that sound normal and beautiful? Does that sound like true bear conservation?
An environmentalist?…………..NOT!!
Did you read the list of Park violations he had? Including polluting the environment.
You’re deeply moved by Timothy? The only movement that Timothy was truely touched by was a bowl movement from a bear. I’m sure you would have been honored to shake Timothy’s hand. The problem is you don’t seem to understand where his hands have been.
Timothy was nothing more than a delusional, exploiting con artist who was mentally disturbed. There is nothing beautiful about that. The bears didn’t need saving, they were in a Huge National Wild Life Preserve. He used that as an excuse to get make believe bear protection money so he didn’t have to deal with the pressures of a real job like the rest of us. He was a wanna be actor, he didn’t like to follow rules of normal society. He thought he could escape rules by living with Grizzlies. What he didn’t realize is that Grizzlies have rules of their own. That is what got him killed. That is not the actions of a seasoned bear expert.

I wouldn’t donate to Grizzly People if my life depended on it!!!!!!

TKO,

All of your points are well said. I couldn’t agree with you more.
Max read the posts from TKO and Remmy Martin, they are factual. They can back up everything they have writen and prove who Treadwell really was.

TKO,

Oh, thank you dear for the kind words. Stand up comedy, I don’t think so. Nobody wants to watch a bear up on stage. I would be out of my element you know. Plus, well, you know I can’t control my bowl movements and that could get messy up on a stage. Besides, looking down at all those humans staring up at me, well I would probably start salivating to no end. I would have the Pavlov thing going on.
That just wouldn’t be fare, all those humans paying money to see a bear up on stage, and all I would be thinking about is which one I would want to eat first. But thanks anyway.

Typo error: written.

Check out this bear attack! ‘video clip’

http://www.insaneclips.com/bearattack.php

I just saw that one on TV the other night the whole thing. Just shows how unexpected a bear attack can be.

There was a clip on FOX NEWS channel yesterday that showed the Ohio State wrestling champion in a cage with a large black bear. It was at some outdoor show. the bear in that one didn’t even have a muzzle on. But there was not much of a match, the champ was ready to get out of that cage. He wasn’t injured.

It’s ridiculous what some people will do. That seem just too stupid. To many things can go wrong. No way I’d ever want a bear grabbing me.

I’m a big momma bear
One sexy little sow
T.T. was so horny
He’d probably do it with a cow

I just want my own space
to raise my cubs nice N fat
Then along came this nut case
he went milling through my scat

He followed us around
talking baby talk and such
He just didn’t get it
We didn’t like him all that much

Then one day
We all finally had enough
Ollie got a hold of him
and he as pretty rough

So that was the end
of that wack crazy cat
careful what you wish for
you may end up as scat

Ok, so I’m not a poet.
I know Remmy Martin and Deb are better but I just wanted to give it a shot. Sorry.

I NEED TO HEAR THAT RECORDING!

Aunt Melissa,

That’s better than any of my efforts. Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know that’s just my story. From a bears perspective. I’m just trying to get my point across.

Aunt Melissa,
I am most impressed. I could never be that creative. Remmy Martin and Deb hats off to you guys. Keep me entertained.

I know a few people Id like to drop off at the grizzly maze hee hee!

I love you Aunt Melissa! If I were there with you Id be like a child, running so free!
And Id name that bear that Timothy was looking for, Id call it Sluttney. hahahaha!

Has anyone heard from that dear Carla?
She didn’t RSVP yet. I wonder how much she weighs…….

Deb,
I know a few people I’d like to drop the F bomb on and one of them is U. Loser.

Aunt Melissa, your poem is as stupid as you.
You’re a loser too. All of you are losers.

No, I’m trying to sniff her and that max guy out. Being a wolf that souldn’t be too hard.

Carla,

I detect a very negative tone and a lot of hostility. You could use some tenderizing…..

With some A-1 steak sauce…..Yum…

Such negativity. Dear Carla isn’t it better to laugh. When I’m dead and done I hope people remember me with a laugh and not a tear.

You take yourself much to seriously loosen up. Take a trip to the grizzle maze. I’m sure Aunt Melissa would be glad to see you.

Oh yes Carla,

If you come visit me, I promise not to write any more stupid poems. I will plan some other fun activities. Like hands on experience in cleaning a bears teeth. Or, or like Proctology for bears 101. Oh, oh I got another one, virtual reality ride down a bears digestive tract.

Remmy Martin,

Don’t be to impressed with yourself, you’re not that funny. Your stupid.

Oh dear me, my feelings are so hurt.

To be called stupid by one such as you.

Could be the greatest honor yet.

Carla,,,

How much do you weigh????
You better weigh yourself after a good bowl movement though, sounds like you’re a little full of it. If you know what I mean.

Oops, I meant bowel movement….sorry.

And in the beginning there was Ollie, and he and Aunt Melissa begat Lilly and Dixon, and Mr. Chocolate and Aunt Lucy begat Quincy, and Downy, and so on………….

For your information I weight 165 lbs. I actually carry my weight very well for my height which is 5′4″
Ive been told Im quite attractive and I am not fat. And once again, it’s no laughing matter to joke about being eaten by a bear. I feel so terrible about Timothy Treadwell and his girl friend Amie. I wouldn’t want that to happen to anyone. It’s no laughing matter!

Hey Carla, I just checked your birth certificate, and under Father it said “We The People”.

If you’re only 165 lbs. then we need a lot more of you. Do you have any friends Carla?
Bring them with you.

Carla, how can you help but laugh. Say tomorrow I wake up and decide to protect all the tigers in the world, I just run down to the pan handle of Florida to the Marcan Tiger Preserve and hop the fence.

Thats basically what he did. Don’t you get it!

I love you Carla….

Carla, if you can’t come could you send us a piece of clothing, dear. That way I can come get you and all you friends and bring you back to Aunt Melissa for all of us to enjoy.

Carla… I will keep you in my prayers.
I feel sorry for anyone would thinks the
way you do.

Stupid is as stupid does. Even Forest Gump knew that.

Deb….#389

I nearly fell off my chair when i read this….good job Deb that was so funny, i’m still laughing, that was the best slam i’ve heard in a while….We the people…funny stuff

CARLA (knock,knock,knock) OH CARLA…..i am still waiting for an intelligent comment. I’m beginning to wonder if there is one in you. Goodness 165 ibs i’ll bet your a hunk,a hunk of burning love. hahahah….

Remmy….your poem was actually very good…in you there is talent…like JV i’m impressed.

GUYS…..let’s give Carla a round of applause.

I’m very glad Carla is with us it allows us to bounce our thoughts off of a negative opinion
and at 165 lbs bouncing a thought should be quite easy……

or is like that kid on southpark that says…
( I’m not fat i’m just big boned…could you pass the cheesy poofs)

just kidding Carla…..”
I love you I love you It’s O.K I love you”
(This passage taken from the Tim Treadwell book of Bear wooing….watch out Aunt Melissa.

[tags]Silly Little Comments from TKO.[/tags]

TKO, JV and everyone else thanks. I’m but a small talent compared to others.

Read my post if you please
and try to laugh and learn. But just remember this my friend
If you play with fire
you’r gonna burn.

Carla, Carla, Carla……

Sounds to me like the logic train has just jumped the tracks, yet again.
Aunt Melissa was just asking how much you weighed, she wasn’t wanting all the other details. Did you think she was trying to fix you up with a blind date?
Bears don’t care about how attractive you are, they see you as a threat or food source if they’re hungry enough. They won’t look at you and say, “We better not eat her, she’s to attractive”.
You are missing all the points everyone is making, so just do yourself a favor, don’t strain your brain. You can’t change the way we, the majority, feel about Treadwell. Give it up. Oh and by the way, next time you have a really good bowel movement, before you flush, take a good look at it. I mean really study it and think about where it just came from in amazement. Keep doing that and then you really will start thinking like T.T.
Congratulations to you.

JV don’t you remember you have to have a brain before you can strain it. Carla probably hasn’t used her’s in so long it’s atrophied. Life is so much easier if you let someone else think for you.

Carla, do some back ground work on TT then you to might understand why we say the things we do. Oh, and be sure to read about real bear research done by people who try not to harm the bears. It’s a pretty thankless way of life isn’t it. How many of them do you see on camera?

One day I will sit down and give my thoughts on Tim. Until then, there is something that was said in “Grizzly Man” by the man who was part of the clean up crew and it has really been making me wonder. He said something about four bags of people that were pulled out of that one bear? If this is correct, then who are the other people? It made me wonder if anyone was reported missing in that area and if they could have done any sort of DNA. I’ll have to watch it again to make sure I heard it right.

You have to admit that the footage taken by Treadwell was breathtaking. And he spent two to three months of the year in alaska camping among the grizzlys every year for 13 yrs! He was a man of great physical courage. How many of you would have the nerve to get close enough to touch a grizzly? Timothy Treadwell was fearless.

Treadwell contributed a significant chapter to the study of grizzly behavior.

And for your information, they make and sell Grizzly Scat Soap which comes in huckleberry, chocolate and pumking fudge scents, to name a few. And sells for $5.00 a bar. You can find it on shopbigfork.com Treadwell’s fascination with the bear’s poop shows how much he loved the bears. But some of you ’scatferbrains’ wouldn’t know anything about that.

Carla, would you please use the huckleberry before you come visit us here in the grizzle maze. I think that’s Aunt Melissa’s favorite flavor.

Carla, Im sure there are many interesting things about poop that fascinate you also.
I bet you think about poop all the time.
Like why poop stinks?
And why is some poop brown?
Why is bird poop white?
How come when you eat corn, no matter how much you chew it, you poop it out in whole kernals?
Is there any way to prevent corn from getting in your poop? How does poop stay together, like in links?
Why does some poop float?
What causes the burning sensation sometimes associated with poop?
Why does some poop hurt when it comes out?
Is it possible for a man to have poop come out of his penis, or for a woman to poop out of her vaginal opening?
What is the origin of the word “poop”?
What Happens When I’m At WORK and I have to Poop?

Here’s some shit for you to think about Carla, thought you might enjoy…… lol

DEFENTIONS OF Poop

GHOST Poop: The kind where you feel the Poop come out, but there is no Poop in the toilet.

CLEAN Poop: The kind where you Poop it out, see it in the toilet, but there is nothing on the paper.

WET Poop: The kind where you wipe your butt 50 times and it still feels un-wiped, so you have to put some toilet paper between your butt and your underwear so you don’t ruin them with a stain.

SECOND WAVE Poop: This happens when you’re done Pooping and you’ve pulled your pants up to your knees, and you realize that you have to Poop some more.

POP-A-VEIN-IN-YOUR-FOREHEAD-Poop: The kind where you strain so much to get it out, you practically have a stroke.

LINCOLN LOG Poop: The kind of Poop that is so huge you’re afraid to flush without first breaking it into little pieces with the toilet brush.

GASSEY Poop: It’s so noisy, everyone within earshot giggles.

DRINKER Poop: The kind of Poop you have the morning after a night of drinking. Its most noticeable trait is the skid marks on the bottom of the toilet.

CORN Poop: (Self-explanatory)

GEE-I-WISH-I-COULD-Poop-Poop: The kind where you want to Poop, but all you do is set on the toilet and fart a few times.

SPINAL TAP Poop: This is when it hurts so badly coming out you’d swear it was leaving you sideways.

WET CHEEKS Poop: (The Power Dump). The kind that comes out of your butt so fast, your butt cheeks get splashed with water.

LIQUID Poop: The kind where yellowish-brown liquid shoots out of your butt and splashes all over the toilet bowl.

MEXICAN Poop:It smells so badly that your nose burns.

UPPER CLASS Poop: The kind of Poop that has no odor.

THE SURPRISE Poop: You are not at the toilet because you think you are about to fart but…oops…a

Poop!!! THE DANGLING Poop: This Poop refuses to drop into the toilet even though you know you are done Pooping it. You just pray that a shake or two will cut it loose.

And lets not forget Bear Poop! LOL

Carla,

To have any credibility on this subject, you cannot just simply declare that Dexter contributed a significant chapter to the study of grizzly behavior. You have to prove it if you want to make a legitimate case to support Dexter.

So, specifically and precisely, in detail, tell us exactly what revelations Tim Dexter discovered about Brown Bear behavior that were previously unknown?

Deb, you must think your poop doesn’t stink.

*****OH MY GOSH*******

DEB…. “THAT IS THE FUNNIEST THING I HAVE READ IN A LONG TIME”….i laughed so hard i nearly pooped….girl if you made that up…you should write for comedians…Brilliant..

CARLA…..are you reading this LISTEN….I used to work at a mental hospital in security ..one day a mentally ill man desparate i guess for attention …jumped out of a third story window plunged about 35 feet and ran off…35 FEET….he should have broken both his legs….My point …HE WAS FEARLESS because his illness made him either feel invinsible or he could NOT rational the danger…..
TIM..WAS MENTALLY ILL….ding,ding,ding…Carla is there anyone in there listening.
He was’nt brave, because his illness negated the DANGER….think about that

And just one more thing with all the good things to eat in this world….anyone who would make,sell or eat Bear scat is also
M.E.N.T.A.L.L.Y I.L.L
I lied just one other comment…Why in the Hell are Tims followers always talking about Bear shit….is this his lasting legacy….Tim’s followers will have a pile of Shit on a banner as a club logo.
And one more thing that intelligent reply we asked for came in the way of Bear scat soup.
SAD,SAD,SAD.

Deb, you are a hoot. I don’t think you left any thing out. You are great.

Carla, last time I checked they don’t make soap out of bear poop. You are like a little cat running here and there leaving your poop for the rest of us to have to cover up.

As for scat for brains honey, you don’t even have that. Just a big empty hole with the wind blowing threw it.

I think a memorial to Dexter should be made out of the one thing his moonies seem to respect Poop.

I keep waiting to hear a large popping sound when you finally pull your head out of your butt hole and see the light of day.

SING TO THE TUNE ….GREEN ACRES(TV SHOW)

Katmai forest is the place for me
Squeezing poop makes me happy you see
Grizzly people, sing my praise you know

Bears they love me, so people have got to go..

GRIZZLY maze is were i’d rather stay
i get allergic, and i think i’m gay
i just adore smelling glue
darlings i love you, but i love my bear BooBoo.

THERE…my little contribution

SING TO THE TUNE GREEN ACRES (TV SHOW)

KATMAI FOREST IS THE PLACE FOR ME
SQUEEEEZING POOP MAKES ME HAPPY YOU SEE
GRIZZLY PEOPLE, SING MY PRAISE YOU KNOW

BEARS THEY LOVE ME, AND PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GO

GRIZZLY MAZE IS WERE I’D RATHER STAY
I GET ALLERGIC, AND I THINK I’M GAY
I JUST ADORE SMELLING GLUE

DARLINGS I LOVE YOU, BUT I’D RATHER LIVE IN A ZOO…

THERE’S MY LITTLE CONTRIBUTION

SING TO THE TUNE (GREEN ACRES TV THEME)

KATMAI FOREST IS THE PLACE FOR ME
SQUEEEZING POOP MAKES ME HAPPY YOU SEE
GRIZZLY PEOPLE, SING MY PRAISE YOU KNOW

BEARS THEY LOVE ME, BUT PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GO

GRIZZLY MAZE IS WERE I’D RATHER STAY
I GET ALLERGIC, AND I THINK I’M GAY
I JUST ADORE SMELLING GLUE

DARLINGS I LOVE YOU, BUT I’D RATHER LIVE IN A ZOO

SONGS FROM ….TKO

SORRY GUYS THIS SONG SHOWS UP THREE TIMES, BUT IT DID’NT LOOK LIKE IT WENT THROUGH THE FIRST TWO TIMES…..ALSO I THINK THE OTHER WEB SITE THAT WE USED TO COMMENT ON IS NOW SHUT DOWN…SO KNOW ALL WE HAVE IN THE WORLD IS THIS SIGHT …..SCARY

# NUMBER 409 IS MY LATEST REVISED VERSION OF THE SONG….ITS THE BEST……TKO

Carla,

I’m still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you. (See post #403 above.)

TKO I love it. I had tried one to that tune and couldn’t get the words right. You did an outstanding job. Bravo!!!!

Call me crazy
stupid or dumb
At least I’m not here
praising some deadbeat
lying bum!

Oh Carla dear,

Would you mind collecting several specimans of your fecal matter so that I can try making some of that soap just in case someone like that crazy Treadwell come to visit, we have it handy for them.
And you know Carla it doesn’t surprise me that you’re so interrested in that poop soap. Because you talk so much crap, I guess it would only make sense for you to want to bathe in it. You are an ignorant wench aren’t you.

Carla,
Are you sure your real name isn’t Jewel?
I’m getting suspicious.

You’re an advocate for “Grizzly People”.
You seem to be in love and totally infatuated with T.T.
You have an unhealthy knowledge and infatuation with bear scat.
Are you a widow?????

Aunt Melissa calm down. You know what happens when you get to excited. Wait until the raccoons get the mould made for TT’s statue.

Remember we decided to make a statue of him out of your poop. I gave the raccoon family a couple of fish to make the mould. It should be finished any time now.

We have to use poop, it’s the only thing they want to talk about.

Thanks TKO! Once I walked in as my Mom was sewing a dress or something, she seemed to be concentrating on her work, I said Mom, Im gonna be a stand up comedian, and without looking up, she said…”thats good honey, go sit down”. haha! I guess I come by it honest!

Anyway, glad I could make you laugh Also, I wanted to complement you on your song to the tune of Green Acres! Thumbs up!
I love a good laugh myself!

Too bad Treadwell couldnt have laughed instead of taking things too serious. He was one messed up dude.

While waiting on Carla’s reply to the question Buzz asked, I thought of something that Treadwell discovered about grizzly’s that maybe wasn’t formerly known… And that is, When two grizzly’s fight, they POOP!

Treadwell tell’s his own story, delivering long monologues to the camera. Treadwell talks about his role as a “kind warrior” determined to “study and protect” his animal friends. On more than one occasion, he appears to suffer an on-camera nervous breakdown, and when he can think of nothing else to do, he trails after bears and foxes and tells them he loves them, as if repeating the sentiment enough times will drill it into their heads.

Treadwell was a failed actor with a past history of mental instability and substance abuse.

What I find even more disturbing was Treadwell’s unshakable faith in his own sentimentalized view of nature. In spite of his years in the wild, he’s driven to tears by his inability to understand, for instance, why a mean old wolf would kill a cute baby fox.

It took 13 years for him to discover that the bears could, and would, eat him.

He followed dreams into the belly of the beast.

Ever notice when you ask folks like Carla a pointed question about Dexter all you hear is crickets chirping? That’s because she prefers to believe the myth of Timothy Treadwell instead of the facts about Tim Dexter.

I’ve noticed. I just can’t figure them out. How can some people be so blind?

The rules are made for everyone but them. I had no idea they were involved with such shady characters. Eco-terrorist as insane as Dexter was, that does explain some things I saw in GM.

I guess peaceful protest isn’t bloody enough for them.

Tim lived his life breaking the rules. From wrecking the family car to being estranged from his family to having an arrest record regarding firearms in LA to taking drugs and alcohol to quitting his medication for depression to violating regulations in Katmai to lying about poachers, to disrupting tours and film crews in Katmai, the list is long.

Here’s the thing. Anyone who would try to kiss a wild bear on the nose is either lying about doing so or they’re just not “right” if you catch my drift. Either way even the vast majority of the world’s imbeciles know wild bears don’t like being kissed.

Maybe Tim should have passed out lipstick to all the sows in Katmai. If he had just handed out samples at a Mary Kay party, he might have been more successful getting bear kissed.

As Bearman says on his website, the bears deserve the credit, not Tim. They had to put up with Tim trying to inflict human nature on them.

I know, the Bearman was the first place I went when I started researching all this. That’s why I keep telling others to go there. He has spent a lot of time in the wild and knows what he talks about.

If some one wants to look up to a person working with wild life they couldn’t go wrong with the Bearman. He seems to be a great guy.

Happy ST.Paddys day every body.

Timmy dimmy dimmy, Timmy dimmy die
Timmy dimmy dimmy Hush now don’t you cry.
Over in Katmai, many years age,
Me brother sang a song to me
in tones so sweet and low.
A simple little ditty in his
good old hippy way.
And I give the world
if I could hear him
sing that song this day.
Timmy dimmy dimmy,Timmy dimmy die
Timmy dimmy dimmy.
That a bears lullaby

Hey all you crazy bear lovers, I am going to team up with Carla and put you all in a bear cage with the grizzly bears and see how you taste to them.

I would like to see one of those grizzly bears laying it to you Deb with his tool and then you would get your feel of the bears.

Henry, Henry, Henry, what kind of human are you? Such dirty talk. You must be one sick sucker to think that.

OH! Aunt Melissa we have someone here who is just dieing to meet you.

HEY REMMY…. MOONIE ALERT!!!

NEWEST MOONIE …HENRY

Henry you and Carla could’nt THINK your way out of a paper bag….

It sounds like you and Carla have about the same I.Q…or lack thereof.. judging by what you have just so eloquently said.

By the way your on the wrong site PERVERT…the porn sites are elsewhere.

Don’t worry Deb if this A**h*le thinks Tim is so great and thinks you are terrible …you should thank him for the compliment..

Hello TKO didn’t think you were stopping by today. I love your song.

I’ve been reading on other sites about the kind of people Dexter liked to hang with and have formed another opinion of just how he may have died.

Maybe some of his Eco-terrorist friends decided they could make more money and gain more attention for themselves with out him around. So they just flew down there and did him in hoping that the rest of the world would think poachers did the deed.

After all human life has very little meaning to these people.

As to Henry just another moony who can never show us any of Dexters contributions to bears in writing.

I think Henry and Carla are one in the same.
Or Henry could be Carla’s Boar…..

Oh HenryCarla,

You need to wash your mouths out with soap. Grizzly Scat Soap will do. I personally believe Carla just changed her name to Henry on this post. Could there really be two humans that stupid and ignorant?

I ‘d like to see him try to get me in a cage. I’d be glad to show him just how we take care of people that stupid.

Henry and Carla one in the same. I doubt that but now he could be her boar, that’s why he’s over here defending her. Too bad they haven’t perfected brain transplants but what the heck theirs aren’t working that well. What say we take up brain surgery guys?

Oh HenryCarla,

How are you going to get us all in a bear cage when this is the internet? I may be just a bear but even I have common sense. You’re pretty brave to be taking us all on from behind your keyboard. I’m shaking in my little bear fur.

COWARD!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Henry,

About how much do you weigh dear?????
Remember to exclude your brain matter in that weight. Empty calories don’t count.

Not only is he a boar but he’s also a bore.

Now, now Aunt Melissa, this moron probably taste like poop. You don’t want to eat any thing that nasty. Just chase him out into the wild an let the wolves and foxes have him.

Do you think his/her real name starts with a J?

Didn’t you read my post on 418? Yes it’s possible that the big J is in the house.

Remmy Martin,

You are right, I don’t think I would waste my time with that one. Wouldn’t you like to know how he thinks he can get us all into a bear cage? Creative thinking on his part. He’s definitely the sharpest tool in the shed.

I know Ollie would have liked to get a hold of him. Problem with that kind is that the meat is so tuff. Needs tenderizing first.

Yes, I would like to know how he thinks he can get everyone in a cage. I guess he thinks the eco-police will come after us.

It would take a mighty lot of tenderising to make this idiot palatable.

Since this discussion is mostly about poop, I thought the video shown at this site might be of interest. (Scroll down the page a bit.)

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:X9OMaX2rn8gJ:alberico.net/+treadwell+invited+others+to+see+bears&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13&lr=lang_en

As for me, I’m more interested in the seemingly endless quantities of bovine scatology that Tim Dexter had to offer.

Did you see the size of that cat? My god he was huge.

Hey Henry,

I drive a 2003 Lexus, and I have an upstairs and a four foot above ground pool, and I will not stand to be talked to like this! You’re just mad because your magnetic strip on your food stamp card got scratched today and wouldn’t work at Save-A-Lot. And you’re two months behind on your Kia payment, and Carla lost her job at Sears or stealing pantyhose.

The scary thought is of Henry and Carla procreating. Yikes…That scares even me.
All of my fur is on end just thinking about it.

So, I will go back to thinking about food.
Henry how much do you weigh…?

Remmy,

That wasn’t a cat. It was $8,000 worth of Purina Cat Chow disguised as a cat.

No doubt. I’d hate to have to feed that bad boy I bet he eats a case of cat food a day.

Hey! Aunt Melissa wanta try a cat for desert?

No I think I’ll just wait for Carla to come and visit me and my friends in Grizzly Maze.
Ollie got a chance to taste some prime idiot. I just want to know what one tastes like. If you notice, Ollie left the head. I wonder why.
Gosh, Carla still didn’t RSVP.

Deb, you think you’er so smart. I dont wrok at Sears I work at old navy. and you may have a up stairs but theres nothing in it Im sure.

I agree with Henry, you think your poop dont stink!

Carla,

Why on earth would you work for Old Navy when you could be selling bear scat soap for $5.00 a bar? You could be a millionaire by now.

NOT!!!!

What is your fascination with poop? Every post has to end up being about poop. Are you as nuts about it as T was.

Henry and Carla is the reason brothers and sisters shouldn’t marry.

Remmy,

She’s an ignorant wench. You can’t reason with her. She has the same disorder as T.T. had. She’s obsessed with fecal matter.

That’s sure the truth. What do they do keep a bath tub full to bath in every night.

Oh Carla,

I think you must go to the toilet and pinch off a loaf on behalf of Timothy Treadwell.
He would be so proud of you dear.

Sh*t for brains!!!

You guys are great ….what a team we make Carla and Buckwheat..i mean Henry…Don’t stand a chance…..

Hey Deb..Lexus, upstairs, pool….WOW

I have a 2002 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie, a upstairs, and a Pool w/deck not too mention a nice yearly salery, a 65″ HDTV, and a Pug named Maggie……

CarlaHenry….thinks they are dealing with a bunch of loser morons who know nothing of life.

true all these things are JUST THINGS…but it shows that People like….Deb, Remmy, Aunt Melissa,Buzz AND ALOT of other people that have posted opinions here, are normal successful people with a good grip on reality and we are pretty much in agreement over this entire tragic mess…We are trying to convince others that are decieved in idolizing this man. By exalting him if you will… into a legend, you doom others to be challenged to follow in his footsteps…and we all know were that will lead…DEATH.

Here’s a thought,… invest your time in people “like your family,freinds” admire and appreciate wildlife…but in the end “LIVE AND LET LIVE”….that’s all the Bears want… to be left alone to be Bears.
TO BE WILD AND FREE….

sorry to be so preachy

TKO

Once again you hit all the nails on the head. I was wondering when you were going to wake up this morning. By the way, I do enjoy reading your postings. You are normal, that is refreshing.

xoxoxoxo… Aunt Melissa

Guess nobody would be interrested in what I drive….oh well….

Don’t worry Aunt Melissa ‘WE LOVE YOU”

no matter what you drive….

All wheel drive, four on the floor manuel transmition, 800 lbs.w/ 4000 lbs. per square inch biting pressure, 3 inch claws for traction, 100% made in America, Grizzly sexy sow.

To Aunt Melissa:

YOU are the one that has made Aunt Melissa ALIVE to me …..your input is entertaining and enjoyable.

Thanks.

I’m a lean, mean biting machine!!!!!!

Henry, Id like to say thank you. Just like Timothy Treadwell you are brave for teaming up with me.

Thanks TKO,

What did you think of my amateur poem (371)? I know I’m not clever like Deb, and Remmy but I do try, honest. I’m just trying to tell my story, instead of these moron humans like CarlaHenry, telling me what I’m thinking when they are not inside my head. But, you know I wouldn’t mind them being inside my belly…..

Lets not get bravery confused with Delusional, Exploiting, con artist combined with mental disorder.

Carla,

Isn’t Old Navey open today? Maybe you should go into work. I think you would probably be of more use there.

TKO,

Your a moron and would be better off as bear food and poop.

Someone please get the remote and turn her(Carla) off. She’s making me hungry!!!!

WOW! TKO and Aunt Melissa, Im impressed!
I love you! I love you! I love you! xoxoxo
Your opinions and comments are of great value.

Henry and Carla only make those ‘popping’ jaw sounds like a grizzly. And like the bears I feel they are solitary animals.

We love you too Deb. Don’t you think our dear Carla should go into work today? Speaking of work, I’m working on my appetite.

And you’re correct about them being solitary. They have one solitary brain cell. We’re not quite sure what that solitary brain cell is responsible for.

Carla/Henry,

What do you do with one solitary brain cell such as the one you have?

Regarding CarlaHenry,

I think the lights are on, but nobody’s home.

This is for Carla,

You’re a F**king idiot. Working at Old Navy, you probably make minimum wage. I personally, don’t think you have any brain cells. That goes for anybody who’s stupid enough to side with you and your stupid sh*t ideas. You probably still believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause. F**king get real.

TKO, do you know the difference between sex and ceasar salad? If not, lets do lunch sometime. *wink*

You can draw a happy face on my rock anytime TKO.

This is for Henry,

You’re a F**king queer. Why don’t you go hump your dog. Or choke the chicken, if you can find it. It’s probably as small as your brain.

OMG, Henry’s gay! Or maybe Henry and Carla ARE one in the same. hmmmmm

I think Henry/Carla should be studied, from afar!

Hey I missing out on all the fun today. Don’t you guys know that Carla/Henry are probably just jealous. They can’t find anyone to come post on their protread site so they come over here to watch how people who do agree act when they get together.

Ilove all you guys except Carla/Henry
love you love XOXOXOXOXO………………….

Hey Henry,

Why don’t you draw a happy face in my belly. I’m hungry for, “The other white meat”.

I’m a hungry bear
food is always on my mind
Give me some prime idiot
CarlaHenry would be the kind

I just want to know
how Ollie felt when he ate
That Timmy Treadwell idiot
I can hardly wait.

I’m with Buzz… i have yet to hear a intelligent reply from Carla ….we keep asking for her to use FACTS to defend her opinion of Treadwell …but so far nothing…which is probably all that is in her head …NOTHING…We have bombarded her with facts that support our outlook and she can NOT compete….SORRY CARLA……..YOU LOSE.

Oh and Carla the next person you decide to team up with , make sure it’s not a BRAINLESS PERVERTED HOMESEXUAL…..for all we know you might be one too.

To all my freinds here you guys hold down the Fort i’m taking off the weekend i’ll see you Monday…till then don’t let Carla or Henry run a muck….

I have a 2002 Durango, a S-10 and a 1986 mint condition Monte Carlo SS with T-tops. My father built the house I live in from wood off our property that’s been in my family since before the Civil War. Some parts of my house came from the original house that was built before that war. It had to be torn down when they decided to make a lake where it had originally been built. I don’t have a pool but I live between a huge lake and the sea shore so I don’t really need one.

I work at a cemetery in the office. So I see death on a daily basis. When I was younger I use to work with veterinarians some of which worked with exotic animals. This isn’t brag darlin’ just the facts.

Well, for your information I happen to live in a 14X60 mobile home with double pained windows and a garden tub. I drive a 96 Cavalier 4-door sedan with astra ground effects. And I live in a secluded holler surrounded by woods. Im happy with what I have, just as Treadwell was happy with what he had. He chose to die with the grizzly’s rather than live around people like you. Id say that was the best choice.

Dexter was hardly happy, he had yet to achieve the fame he died chasing. People like you want him to have that fame after death. He doesn’t deserve it. He was out there to help himself not the environment or the bears.

Grow up and find someone worthy of your adulation not a failed hack out for himself.

Well said Remmy,

I recall Treadwell being concerned about which bandana to wear while filming himself, and having a total disreguard for his life. He knew of the danger, yet chose to stay there in the grizzly maze. He was lucky that the bears disreguarded him for 12 yrs. Bears sometimes even kill their young and eat them, and adult bears sometimes fight and kill each other. If he knew bears so well, why didn’t he have some type of protection? At least a can of bear spray, just in case! He actually thought he could ‘talk a bear down’ so to speak. He even had Amie Huganuard fooled into believing that. Then when the bear attacked him, he yelled ‘Get out here!” “Im being killed”!!
As if Amie could then save him.

Kinda sounds like something Henry would do if a grizzly got him. He’d be screaming and crying, yelling for Carla to save him.
And hoping his hair would get messed up.

Or maybe HENRY is bald.

PS. Remmy, nice Monte Carlo! woo hoo! and what an awesome house!

and BUZZ, nice bear poop video!….where have you been???

Aunt Melissa, I love your 3 claw traction!
You ARE one lean, mean biting machine!!!!!!

Last but not least, looking forward to TKO’s return, Have a great week end!

Anon, Info on ordering the movie ‘Deadly Passion’, contact David Kaplan for information on purchasing this film @ krd@ak.net

You are sharp as a tack, Deb.

Tim the man, lost himself in his own myth. I do believe he truly thought that a hungry bear would just politely turn around and not eat him if he asked it not to. He was sick and no one that knew him wants to admit that. Then they might have to admit they helped him die and just possibly they could have saved him.

Carla, I’m not saying don’t have hero’s or people you look up to. Just that there are people out there who really do deserve to be that person. Don’t waste yourself on Dexter.

You’re already one up on him, you are happy with your life. That’s what it takes to have a happy life.

Oh, nice touch with the double pained windows.
I don’t have the material items you people have. I just live in a National Park almost 4 million acres, I don’t have a roof over my head but I can see the stars on a clear night. I have fresh air, a lot of room to roam. I can do what ever I want. I’m just wild and free. I like it that way.

Aunt Melissa, you are the luckiest one of us all. A star canopy over your bed every night. Running wild and free over all that land. I wish I could live out there with you, you’re one cool bear.

Lets just hope no more nut cases want to come live with and exploit you. If they want to come for dinner that could be arranged.

Oh, I’m with you Remmy,

I don’t mind humans looking at me from a distance, but it’s when they start following right behind me, trying to touch me that makes me very uneasy and aggressive. Why can’t people like CarlaHenry understand that just isn’t a natural think to do. I’m not a pet, I’m a wild animal and I need my space. I want my space. That’s not protecting us bears it’s a recipe for disaster. The consequences from that type of behavior are catastrophic. I would very much like to believe that no human will ever stoop to that level of stupidity ever,ever again!!!

Lets face it, T.T. did not make any break throughs in the field of animal study,
research, or protection. I still haven’t heard one shred of evidence from any proTread people of any good he did on behalf of the animals. But there is plenty of evidence of all the bad things he did. To all of you ProTreaders, please get your heads out of the sand or your heads will end up like Treadwell’s.

It’s easy to see that most of the pro t moonies just can’t find any proof that he did any thing other than try to make himself famous. I myself am waiting on them to come back with something besides empty threats.

That TKO is as sharp as my canine. I love his comments. He doesn’t let anything get past him. I sure miss him.

Remmy, you do keep me entertained. You and Deb have tongues that would tame a snake. I love how you put these, as you say T.T. moonies, in their place. Thank you. Xoxoxo..

Haven’t heard from Anon in a while. She cracked me up.

I’m still around Aunt Melissa. I keep up with what all of you are saying. Someone on another site took my name so I’ve been letting he/she use it. I love you too, XOXOXO……..

Hi all! I just got home and thought Id see how things are going here. Thanks for the compliment Remmy & Aunt Melissa. You two make some interesting comments.

Ive decided to ‘team up’ with Remmy, Aunt Melissa, TKO, Jack Daniels, Buzz, Winston Cubby Bear, JV, Quincy Bear, Born2Shop and Robin. you are too cool!

Like Remmy, Im waiting on them (HenryCarla) to come back with something besides empty threats.

Maybe the’re still sitting there looking at that bear scat video.

And Carla, what’s the deal with double pained windows? Do trailers really have that?

And where did Henry go after he came out of the closet?

Hello Deb, I think we are going to be waiting a long time for any intelligent reply from Carla/Henry. I think its like waiting for space aliens to come to earth, it could happen but don’t hold your breath.

Yes I thought it was a nice touch with the double pained windows. Maybe a double wide comes with double pained windows. I don’t know. I thought everyone had double pain windows these days. I don’t know much about mobile homes. I’ve never been in one myself.
You have to figure with all these postings, we keep asking for examples of any evidence that verifies the validity of T.T.’s work. Well, we are still waiting and all we get are evasive threats for responses. My guess is you would stand a better chance of seeing a Grizzly bear driving down the road in a 1986 mint condition Monte Carlo SS with T-tops.

But that’s just my guess.

Aunt Melissa I would love to let you drive my car. We could cruise to the beach.

Oh, dear that sounds like fun. Can we go to a beach that has Salmon?? Sorry dear, that’s my favorite snack.

Hey all just got back on my work computer and went to this bear sight and found out someone is adding messages in my name without me knowing it. I would say this is probably Deb for because she didn’t like me teaming up with Carla. Now here is my message out of my own mouth you are all a bunch of crazy bear poop people with nothing else to do except come on here and talk about other non-bear loving people.

Goodness Henry I have the same problem. The witch that took my handle is a bi-sexual. At least you don’t have to deal with that. For all I know everyone thinks I’m her. Believe me that is not something I’d be on the web bragging that I sleep with men and women. Besides I don’t think Deb would bother with using someone else’s name. It could be the same person that got me.

No, Henry what we do is try to make the Dexter moonies see him for what he was. A charlatan using bears for his own gain. Are you a non-bear loving person Henry? We would like to see everyone love and respect bears the right way. So that no one else goes out into the pristine wilderness and harass them for their own gain.

Dexter put unnecessary stress on those bears by invading there personal space. I dare say that him being out there doing what he was doing was causing the boars to eat more cubs because when they were trying to fish or browse he was trying to touch them or just getting to close and stressing them out.

I’m back everybody …my Bear loving freinds..

Remmy i read the decription of your house…i am somewhat of a amatuer Historian and i am especially interested in all things Civil War…that house you live in is priceless not only for it’s Historical value..but because it’s apart of your Family Heritage….Be Proud.

Anon….it is good to here from you again…i have been posting here for quite some time and alot of people have come and gone….Welcome Back….

Deb… thanks for including me in your circle of freinds…

and Aunt Melissa… Thank you for your appreciation of my most humble comments.

Henry # 506….allow me to get something straight.
I have a life and it’s great, i spend time with my Family, walk uphill, swim in the ocean and roll in the tall grass…..what am i saying….I have plenty i do …but one of life’s little satisfactions is finding like minded people,…. and usually it is difficult, if not impossible to find a group of people who agree totalLy on any subject….i find this Web site extremly gratifying and i want to thank MaisonBisson. com for giving us all a forum to vent our feelings and discuss our opinions….THAT SIR…is NOT a waste of MY time…if you think posting here is a waste…then do us all a favor DON’T POST HERE ANYMORE….

Ancient chinese Prophet Confusious once said:

“It is better to keep mouth closed and let everyone think you the fool….
than to open up your mouth and remove all doubt”.

Now…. that is addressed we can get back to talking about T.T again….

Welcome back TKO we all missed you. I’m a bit of a Civil War buff myself, not as much now as I use to be. Living where I do it’s hard not to be.

As for Henry thinking it a waste of time .Well that’s only because he doesn’t think like we do. So he would rather make some nasty little comment and run off to a place where he feels comfortable. A bathroom or other place where there is some kind of fecal matter.

It doesn’t surprise me that Henry would say such a thing about me. Especially after he said in his comment #429 “I would like to see one of those grizzly bears laying it to you Deb with his tool and then you would get your feel of the bears.”

So Henry, if I could write an epitaph on your headstone when you die, the most meaningful words that I can think of would go something like this……..
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HENRY

FEEL YOUR BODY AND SOUL
UNFOLD YOUR POWERFUL WINGS
CLIMB THE HIGHEST MOUNTAINS
KICK YOUR FEET UP IN THE AIR
YOU MAY NOW LIVE FOREVER
OR RETURN TO THIS EARTH
UNLESS YOU FEEL GOOD WHERE YOU ARE

MISSED BY YOUR FRIENDS
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Were you able to spot the real sentiment?

To Henry,

If you’re too lethargic to spot the real sentiment, scroll down…..

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|F|EEL YOUR BODY AND SOUL
|U|NFOLD YOUR POWERFUL WINGS
|C|LIMB THE HIGHEST MOUNTAINS
|K|ICK YOUR FEET UP IN THE AIR
|Y|OU MAY NOW LIVE FOREVER
|O|R RETURN THE THIS EARTH
|U|NLESS YOU FEEL GOOD WHEERE YOU ARE

Henry you must be a hypocrite. If posting here is a waste of time then why do you still come back for more?
The only person ignorant enough on this post to use your name would be Carla. I was always suspicious that you and Carla were one in the same. For this reason I still call you CarlaHenry.
And once again CarlaHenry proves nothing on behalf of T.T. We are speaking out on the behalf of the bears and freedom from human encroachment they deserve. Proves my point, these useless, spineless Pro-Treaders still cannot come up with any facts backing up T.T. They just spew out meaningless, evasive chatter with out regard for fact. The true non-bear loving person, would be you CarlaHenry. Congratulations to you.

Deb, Anon, TKO, Remmy you guys are brilliant bear loving individuals and I love reading your posts. You do a great job putting CarlaHenry in (her/his/their) place!!!
It’s confusing when your dealing with a multiple personality such as CarlaHenry.

P.S.-CarlaHenry, I would love to sink my canines into you. Why don’t you come into my bear cage and I’ll show you how it’s done. I promise, it won’t be a waste of time.

Notice how CarlaHenry calls us a bunch of crazy bear poop People. Didn’t Carla have the same infatuation with fecal matter? My case in point.

They are all a bunch of feces lovers. How ever many of them there are. CarlaHenry lets see some proof of what Dexter did that was so good for the bears.

How can you help but love bears when they are so well represented by Aunt Melissa? We just want people to respect them and let them have the space they need to live a happy normal life in the wild. Where they belong without idiots bothering them.

Here’s some information I found about Bear Protection,
Grizzly bears have been protected under the Endangered Species Act since 1975, when their numbers plummeted due to excessive killing and management actions related to the closing of dumps and increased conflicts between food habituated bears and humans. A food habituated bear is a bear that seeks out unnatural food sources such as garbage, pet food, birdseed, etc. Today, while grizzly numbers have increased, many of these problems still occur with great regularity. Between 1980 and 2003, 61 grizzlies were killed after being attracted to homes and campsites by the smell of food, garbage and pet feed.

It seems clear to me that if you want to ‘protect’ bears, simply…..

1. Dont camp in a place like Treadwell did.
2. And DO NOT have open food in your tent.

Treadwell made some dangerous errors.
If he really “loved” the bears, he would not have invaded their space. Even us humans dont like our space invaded.

DEB’S RIGHT! BACK OFF!!! INVADE MY SPACE AND PAY THE PRICE. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
AND DONT TRY TO RUN (SMILE) YOU CANT BEAT ME.

AUNT MELISSA, I WOULDNT MIND YOU INVADING MY SPACE GRUNT GRRRRRRR GRUNT ~SLURP~

Oh, Mr.Chocolate,

I still have yet to receive an RSVP from CarlaHenry to come visit us in Grizzly Maze.
Since we just are coming out of hibernation about now, we are very hungry.

Oh, Mr. Chocolate what a dirty bear you are.
Making me blush and all.
Now back to food. I could go for some idiot human sushi.
Yes you humans who want to follow in T.T.’s footsteps, remember one thing. I’m a lean, mean biting machine. And one sexy sow. Did I mention how hungry I am?

Treadwell’s life was thrilling, being so close to the bears and foxes. The bears could have harmed him on many many occastions, but they didnt. They didnt. He stood his ground.
I think the bears had a respect for him, just like the children he visited at the schools.
And Im sure that made him feel good.
And he kept pochers away. He did do good for the bears and all the children that he went and visited at the schools. Why cant you people admit it. Admit it! He loved the bears and they loved him too.

I’ll visit your grizzly maze Aunt Melissa and Mr ChocolateScat! You are nothing! Anyway if your bears how can you type with four inch claws? Your all a bunch of fakes! You would never be able to make it one night in the grizzly maze! You bunch of Losers and theifs stealing peoples names! Eat poop and *#*& YOU!
Deb is a big nothing who thinks she knows everything but is nothing put a poop brain.

Oh my goodness I see it is children’s hour again. Dexter did the bears no good there were no poachers. How many times to I have to say that before it sinks into your brain. THERE WERE NO POACHERS, REPETE NO POACHERS in the Katmai for him to scare off.

THE BEARS DID NOT LOVE OR RESPECT HIM, BEARS DO NOT THINK LIKE THAT. The bears tolerated him because they were use to people and well fed. When the food ran out he became the next food source and they took him and ate him.

As to the children he did them no good because now they are more likely to try and be like him after they see GM. They will think that because he did it they can also. If he taught them out of his book then he was teaching them the mistakes he had written in there. So you tell me how that helped them.

So now Carla/Henry I can produce proof of every thing I have said. Show me your proof if what you say is true.

I may be a bear and I can type with my 3 inch claws. Isn’t that amazing CarlaHenry?

You know what’s even more amazing than that CarlHenry, is that as ignorant and stupid as you are, you can type too. Only difference between what I type and what you type is that you have nothing intelligent to say. And you are always avoiding the whole point. Your words are meaningless and you type such nonsense that I do believe Remmy is correct when she asks is it childrens hour. Because that’s what you sound like, a child. So maybe you should go back to your playpen CarlaHenry.
You have no integrity. Oh, when you go to bed tonight CarlaHenry, you might want to place a diaper on your pillow, after all you do talk a lot of POOP!

Oh, everyone go and check out CarlaHenry’s website, the url address is: http://www.Poop.com

CARLA……

The Bears i’m sure are not capable of the same type of love that humans express…in your posting #521….you talk about the Bears loving and respecting T.T….Carla you are living in the same Walt Disney Fantasy that Tim was in, thinking these Bears were harmless party animals (as he stated) …that loved and respected humans….Bears have their own world and own value system, that does’nt include us..they don’t understand us anymore than we them…..and here is something else ….the Bears don’t want to know us…they want to be LEFT ALONE!!!!!!!…….to say the Bears loved and respected T.T…..is ridiculous …all this shows in you Carla is all of the people out there gathering under Tim’s banner are most definately dilusional. The one thing the Bears are able to do is reason and think …they even have a built in instinct not to eat the bright Green colored Frog…it might be poison….Tim had problems and exhibited erratic and dangerous behavior….to be Candid the Bears probably thought “to eat him would be dangerous” to their health…it was’nt until desparation set in that they even considered attacking him.

Carla, think about it….

TKO I don’t think we can get through to Carla. She doesn’t want to see the real world only the one Tim invented. Where the bears were just people in bear suits big party animals that he danced with under the light of the moon.

I read something yesterday that said out of every 250 people that watched GM 50 of them would fall for Tim. Most of that 50 would be female. So I guess Carla would have liked to be there she thinks if she had been there she could have saved him. That could be the reason Amie was there. She couldn’t save him and it cost her life.

Remmy …

You are probably right..we are beating our heads against a brick wall here…

Your right Remmy we are beating our heads against a brick wall on this one…..

It is sad to see someone who can’t see what Dexter was really doing. She is truly a moonie, domed to live a life believing in a nutcase. Blind to lies told by someone so out of touch with reality he thought bears had excepted him into there life and loved him, as if bears could feel love like a human.

Howdy to all the bear lovers. I come on here again and see my name being dragged through the mud again with my buddy Carla also. I don’t appreciate you Deb at all for the fancy words and writing on my tombstone. And to all the others that talk about me bad. May you all go to the grizzly maze and be eaten by the bears.

Deb…. i do believe that Henry has a personel problem with you with all the mud-slinging that goes on here he always centers you out….have you noticed this Deb…I mean i have said some pretty aggresive things directly to Henry and all he does is beat up on you….
My challenge to Carla and Henry is to write a good well thought paragraph that will explain to us all the contributions T.T has made to animal study.. Why does it seem that you tell how great T.T was, but can’t tell us what for..
It’s not enough to say how he loved the animals….i love steak but i’m not going to sleep out in the pasture with a Cow.
I tell you what if you can come up with a good sound logical explanation of his contributions there would be alot of us that would ACCEPT your pointe of view…not agree, but accept.
I hope you accept this challenge.

TKO, I have noticed that about Henry. I wonder why he centered me out in the first place? hmmmm
He must be afraid of Men like you, and Bears like Aunt Melissa. The funny thing is that he likes Carla and teamed up with her, so to speak. I really dont understand it, but Ive been thinking… and since Im such a nice person Id like to say to Carla and Henry, or Carla/Henry that Im sorry for anything Ive said to offend you. Please forgive me.

Now lets get back to bear talk and Carla/Henry please tell us all what good you think Treadwell really did for the bears.

Carla/Henry …

It is not my intention to gang up on you…America was founded and sustained on Freedom to speak your mind and not be judged for it. My desire is to hear your opinion on Timothy Treadwell and the contributions he made to Bear study…..use your knowledge and intellect to help us understand…..here’s your oppurtunity for all Protread people to be heard and understood….Carla you have the floor…..and our ATTENTION.

Henry can dish it out but can’t take it, sorry Henry. I will never mention your name again.

As to Carla I agree with Deb and TKO lets hear your argument. I know you have it in you so hit us with your best shot.

It’ always good to have someone that doesn’t agree with your views. You learn more that way so do your research and lets see what you have to say.

Oh! Have you seen the Bearmans page it changed yesterday. No weapons violations were ever given to T while he was in Katmai.

Yes Remmy, but the plot thickens!

According to Bearman at his website, new video footage of Wildlife Expert, Timothy Treadwell, is available. The footage shows Wildlife Expert, Timothy Treadwell, feeding a fox.

Apparently, Wildlife Expert, Timothy Treadwell, couldn’t read the Park Service regulations where it says DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.

Maybe that 5-word sentence may have been too far above his reading comprehension level. Or maybe the concept was just too damn abstract for him to grasp.

Bearman said he suspected this was the case all along. He noticed that the fox licked TT’s fingers. That behavior only occurs because the fox is being fed.

I saw that and thought the same thing myself, Bearman just confirmed it. A wild fox will not just lick a persons fingers for no reason. I wonder if he was feeding the bears too.

There are so many twist and turns in this story I don’t know if we will ever know what is true and what is fiction.

Even his alcohol and drug abuse might have just been made up.

My advise to Henry or CarlaHenry,
If you made it clear that we waste our time on this post, then WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK AND COMMENTING? Why are YOU wasting your time?
Take TKO’s advise and do us all a favor and don’t bother posting here anymore if it bothers you so much.
While your at it, why don’t you take your own advise and spend some time in Grizzly Maze so YOU can be eaten by bears. Hypocrite!

Regarding the weapons violation, I understand there is a letter in Tim’s file where someone reported to the Park Service that they had heard from someone else Tim had a weapon.

That’s certainly not even close to proof. However, given all that we know I certainly wouldn’t want to defend Tim on that charge other than to simply say there is no proof.

We do know that Tim was arrested on an assault charge and illegal discharge of a firearm in L.A. It’s not like he wasn’t familiar with firearms. So, if the weapons charge in Katmai were to be proven true it would hardly surprise me.

That said, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt . . . for now.

See, that’s the problem with Tim. He makes it difficult to support him.

Buzz your point about Treadwell feeding the Fox is a good one because this is another example of how T.T. was trying to manipulate people into believing he had this magical way with animals. He was a con artist. A very poor one at that. Any true wild animal expert knows that feeding wild animals is a major NO NO! Again he did it for his own publicity. His motives were purposefull. He wanted footage of the fox just following him as if he was this special entity with special powers. Anybody can feed a fox and get the same reaction from the animals. He knew these animals saw him as an easy food source. Sad thing is there are a minority who actually fell for it. He wasn’t counting on the Bears using him as an easy food source was he?

Tim seem to have a real aversion to telling the truth. Jewel and GP follow in his foot steps. They didn’t even bother to fix the inaccuracies in his book.

It is hard to give anyone the benefit of the doubt when there is so much petty truth twisting going on. But like you I do for now give him that.

Squeezing any valid info.from CarlaHenry regarding T.T.’s contributions to bear research will be like squeezing blood out of a turn up. I love you guys to much to see you holding your breath for that long as you start turning purple and blue from oxygen deprivation. And I don’t think any one of you would like a bear to perform CPR. I might accidently crush your rib cage. xoxoxo….

Ooops mispelled, Turnip! Sorry.

I have the darndest time spelling when I always have food on my mind.

Your comments ring true Aunt Melissa. As one person put it, Tim was producing a movie. He was the star, and the animals were his cast.

And he paid them back by getting two bears killed and who knows what happened to the foxes. Getting them use to eating from humans didn’t do them any good.

Aunt Melissa I wasn’t holding my breath waiting on intelligent remarks from Carla or Mr.H. I don’t think Carla can get past just being in love with the whole idea of Dexter. The star of course not the real man. As for the other he just thinks we’re all crazy because we have a vocabulary that doesn’t need swear words in every sentence.

Timmy feeding the fox conpletely destroys the myth that Dexter was merely observing wildlife.

Seems like what he really wanted was a bunch of pets. So not only was Dexter habituating the animals, he was trying to domesticate them too.

What the hell is wrong with these types of people? Have they lost all respect for wildlife? Do they really want wild and untamed areas in the world, or are they just seeking personal acknowledgement from wild animals? Is this the “new relationship” with animals they talk about?

I can’t tell you how much contempt I have for Tim Dexter right now. There are morons in this world that had more common sense that he did. I’m not saying Dexter wasn’t intelligent, but I’ve yet to see a single case where the switch to his brain wasn’t left in the off position.

There’s a lesson for Carla in all this: Being ignorant is no way to go through life.

My husband and I watched Grizzly Man with mixed emotions and he said, “I bet that girl was on her period and that was what caused the attack”. We know of two families that lost females from that very thing. One lady who had this prize Bull that she traveled with all over the country, killed her one day.

Buzz what you must keep in mind is that T.T. was truely one of a kind. Treating animals the way he did is not practiced by people with any common sense or knowledge. What he did was wrong and I haven’t heard of anybody stooping to that level of stupidity and greed.
So you, being of sound mind and soul, are not going to understand it. You have a good grip on reality, T.T. did not. There is no understanding it, because it makes no sense. Mentally disturbed people see things in a different way as Treadwell did. We are the normal ones. The actions of irrational behavior are inexplicable.

Aunt Melissa,

Whatever head problems Dexter had he was not a case for the funny farm. Therefore, he was responsible for his actions. That he couldn’t cope with life is sad. That at age 46 he still couldn’t obey simple rules is inexcusable.

Perhaps it might interest some folks here to read what a licensed Psychologist has to say about TT after viewing Grizzly Man. Mark Dombeck, Ph.D. has an advanced postdoctoral clinical training at the Yale Psychiatric Institute at Yale University School of Medicine. He makes some very interesting observations. It takes a few minutes to read (that leaves Carla out), but it’s worth the time.

http://mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=8968

Oh and as far as the switch to T.T.’s brain, I don’t think it was in the off position……..

It was a short circuit!!! Some wires got crossed.

I’m sorry Carla, I forgot. There is a podcast so you don’t have to read.

For the rest of you in the podcast he makes a few more comments that aren’t in the transcript so it worth it read along as he talks.

Bonnie, we’ve all agreed that it could have been that but the more significant info was the time of year and the poor berry crop and salmon run. All of the bears were in a frenzy to put on as much weight as possible to get them threw the winter sleep.

His luck just ran out you can only tempt faith so many times before your number comes up. To bad Amie chose to be there with him that time.

I guess I just can’t help myself, but I have such a low opinion of Grizzly People I have to make this comment.

If GP really wants to pay an honest tribute to Timothy Treadwell, they should have a flashing banner on their home page that reads:

PLEASE DO NOT FEED WILD ANIMALS LIKE TIMMY DID

Buzz,

I read that article and it is interresting. Can you believe it Carla, yes not only as a bear can I type, but I can read too. Probably faster than you. And I do believe T.T. was responsible for his actions, but I also believe he was not playing with a full deck. I feel that his greed and strong desire to have a sense of accomplishment, drove him to become the exploiting, con artist that he was.
Bottom line is that he was NOT an expert and the bears did not need protecting from Poachers, but the bears needed protecting from T.T.

I think T.T. also believed that he was invincible against the bears and that these wild Grizzlies would never think of hurting him.
Delusional yes, Bear expert, most definitely NO.

Aunt Melissa,

No doubt in my mind Tim had a mental disorder. It was really always about Timmy, no matter what he told himself.

I have to agree he didn’t care about the bears or the foxes he just cared about how he looked and felt. Being out there was better that drugs or drinking. He was king of the bears and everyone better see it or he would pitch a fit.

Good read Buzz.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the more I learn about Treadwell, the feelings of anger toward him and Grizzly People come to surface. I resent the way he took advantage of people donating blindly to G.P., and most of all, I resent the way he exploited wild animals for his own celibrity and monitary benefit. He did not respect wild animals, he used them.

Timothy Treadwell captured photos and films of the bears, so close that it was awesome! No one else has ever attempted to get so close to the grizzlys like he did. Because of that we are able to view the spectacular wildlife film of the bears up close and personal.

He had a great desire to defend and protect the bears, and gave his life so that people everywhere can learn of the secret world of the grizzly bear.
Timothy believed protecting grizzlies from poaching was an integral part of his mission.

On several occasions poachers threatened him, but during his time in Katmai, no grizzly was known to have been killed.

In August 2004, nearly a year after his death, five bears were poached in Katmai National Park. This proof is from the grizzly people page by Jewel Palovak. I rest my case.

- His name wasn’t Timothy Treadwell; it was Timothy Dexter.
- He was not an orphan from Australia or England; he was raised with his family in New Jersey.
- He wasn’t in a secret, remote part of Alaska with only bears and poachers; he was in Katmai National Park where there was no threat of poachers or habitat destruction. There were biologists, photographers, anglers, and backcountry campers traveling through the Park daily.
- There was no essential, meaningful study or research that Treadwell was conducting. The National Park Service denied him a research permit and told him not to conduct himself in a manner that broke park regulations (approaching bears).

- He was very selective in where he targeted his school presentations to get donations from wealthy patrons
- Treadwell’s book, television appearances, video documentaries, and presentations focused on him and not the welfare of the bears.

- Sadly Amie Huguenard was also fatally mauled. Tim Treadwell who did not use the recommended electrical fencing or bear pepper spray should have seen to it that she was properly protected even if he was careless about his actions around bears.

What was Treadwell’s supposed “research” and who requested it?

Hollywood Hype: Treadwell’s supposed “research” was to demonstrate that he could get close to bears with his gentle and non-threatening personality and communicate with them. Treadwell boasted that he could understand their communication and they could understand him. He claimed that he knew 21 bear vocalizations and various different body languages. He wanted to see if he could be accepted by 1,000 pound wild coastal brown bears.

THE REALITY IS: The National Park Service at Katmai denied Timothy Treadwell a permit to do research on bears. Bear biologists have stated that there was no meaningful value to Treadwell’s supposed research. Treadwell had only a high school education, and was not qualified to conduct research on bears and bear behavior. He has never published a professional scientific paper or presented his information for peer review by biologists, or professional associations such as the Wildlife Society or the Park Service. He had claimed that his book Among Grizzlies was his published report; however, the book is full of inaccuracies, misinformation and material that has been previously published by qualified bear biologists over the past 40 years.
I rest MY case.

Carla,

I hate to burst your bubble, but long before Tim Dexter went to Katmai a fellow named Vitaly Nikolaenko was actually doing what Tim only pretended to do. He was Ranger in Russia who not only protected Brown Bears, he follow them documenting their life history in journals and photographs. During that time he was shot in the leg by a poacher. That wound bothered him later in life yet he continued to follow his chosen field of work. All total he spent over 25 years in the field with bears. That’s twice as long as Dexter.

Two months after Timmy the Fox Feeder died, Vitaly was killed by a Brown Bear.

And one of the world’s most famous nature and wildlife photographers was also killed by a Brown Bear. His name was Michio Hoshino. He photographed Brown Bears not just in Katmai Park but all over the world.

Your contention that it was Timmy and Timmy alone who kept poacher out of Katmai Park is simply inane. Then, so is you whole last post.

Remember my question from post #405? I still hear crickets chirping.

And Carla,

I can prove Jewel doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Can you prove she does?

I recall the part of the film Grizzy Man where Jewell was talking about how she met Timothy at a restaurant where they both worked. They had both been called in the office by their employer. She asked Tim, “what are you in for”? He was called in the office for walking funny, and she was called in for causing the soup to explode while serving some peole who were dining. She said, “it certainly wasn’t love at first sight, but we were definately kindred spirits”.

They were kindred spirits alright! Both of them nuts! Two adventurous NUTS!

There’s no way Carla can prove those two did anything good, except that Tim got a few good picture’s of bears. He gave his life for a few good pics. Jewell should have been with him instead of Amie.

I think they should have called the film ‘ONE FLEW OVER THE GRIZZLY MAZE’ Or, LETS THROW TIMOTHY FROM THE MAZE. Or how about, MY BIG FAT GREEK GRIZZLY. hahaha!

Deb,

I don’t doubt Tim took a lot of pictures. My only concern is where are they? Tim been gone for 2 1/2 years and I haven’t seen any new pictures on GP’s website or in any new publications.

Let’s see what lame excuses Carla might conjure up to defend Tim’s violation of yet another Park regulation (feeding animals):

1) Timmy shouldn’t have done that, but what did it hurt?

2) Timmy loved that fox, and just wanted to be its friend.

3) Timmy was breaking new ground in human/animal relationships.

4) Timmy didn’t mean any harm. His intentions were good.

5) Timmy was protecting the fox from starvation.

6) Timmy was just following his dream to become one with the animals.

7) Timmy couldn’t read, so he didn’t understand Park Regulations.

Timmy could read, but the words “DO NOT FEED WILDLIFE” were beyond his reading level.

9) Timmy could read, but the fox ate Timmy’s copy of the regulations.

10) Timmy’s compassion toward animals transcended stupid Park rules.

11) Timmy was training the fox to watch out for poachers when he slept.

12) Timmy respected all wildlife. This was just an isolated incidence where he made one tiny mistake.

13) Timmy was still on drugs, so he wasn’t responsible for his actions.

14) Timmy was secretly working with the Park Service and Purina to develop a new line of Fox Chow.

15) Timmy was just trying to prove that foxes aren’t the ferocious man-eating beasts some portray them to be.

16) Timmy was just forming an alliance with that fox so the critter would protect him from other foxes.

17) Timmy was special case, so the rules didn’t apply to him.

18) Timmy was training the fox to attack tour guides and film crews in Katmai. His goal was to ecotourism in the Park.

That last sentence should read: His goal was to END ecotourism in the park.

Deb i have noticed that the GP web site has not been updated in a long time obviously…and i agree if so many pictures and research papers were written i would think GP would be publishing them…but NOT. Why because as Buzz has stated these people are as fake as Tim was…the footage of Tim feeding the Fox flies in the face of everything sacred in Nature study ….this new finding makes me FURIOUS….With the damage T.T was sowing to the balance of nature …i tell you if a Bear had not got him….a lightning bolt probably would have.

And Buzz…it looks like both of our challenges to Carla and Henry have fallen on def ears. They just keep regergitating old information…and have nothing new to add.
Maybe it’s time to leave them to their own devices. With all of the sham that Treadwell and GP have put on, the more you know the bigger fakes they become….it is still hard to beleive that a reputable channel like Discovery could still be apart of this whole thing by giving a stage to a bunch of stooges.

The Discovery Channel dropped the ball on GM. Makes you wonder what other shows they have on that are more make believe than real.

At this point nothing Tim, Jewel and GP do surprise me. In my opinion none of them would know the truth if it bit them on the butt.

Carla, your source is suspect it has already been established that there is no truth there. What I was hoping you would do was find another source for your reply. There are other places that still agree with you. But even they don’t use GP as a source for their info.

Dexter was no more protecting those animals there in that place than we sitting here on our computers are physically protecting them.

He was using the Katmai as his personal vacation home. He was running other people who had as much right as he did to be there. Jewel should have been the one out there with him. But then I would imagine that she was to smart to go out there unprotected with Dexter. From what I have read she was only worried about getting his stuff after he was killed.

The two of them were screw ups she still is why wouldn’t she have wanted to fix the book if she was really interested in helping animals. The only animal she is interested in helping is herself.

Remmy …do remember the comment made by Jewel in the movie…”Now i have everthing”….that was a very interesting comment for her to make when givin the Watch that was on Tim’s arm.

I find it puzzling that she got everything and all the parents got was the Teddy Bear. HMMMMM

What do you think?

Tim had signed a paper with the park service stating that he had no family and everything of his was to go to Jewel. She also had his power of attorney. What puzzles me is how fast she was to make sure everything be given to her. She was on that almost before she could have been sure they were dead. Unless that last telephone call wasn’t as happy as she claimed it was. T&A were suppose to be on a driving trip around Alaska instead of staying in the maze. It’s all so strange like he didn’t know what he was doing from one minute to the next.

Here are the facts:

1. Dexter went to Katmai in 1989. He camped at McNeil Falls camp site.

2. By 1992 Dexter had moved to Hallo Bay.

3. In 1997 Dexter published “Among Grizzlies”.

4. In 1998 The Discovery Channel ran “Grizzly Diaries.”

Very few people knew Dexter before 1997. He wasn’t a celebrity.

In “Grizzly Diaries” Dexter made it clear he was in a “secret part of ALASKA.” There was no mention of Katmai.

Alaska in very close to being 100 times larger than Katmai.

At no time did Tim ever claim he was protecting all the bears in Alaska. At no time did he claim he was protecting all the bears in Katmai. Hell, he never even mentioned the word “Katmai” because he was in a “secret location in Alaska.”

All of this begs yet other questions that Carla cannot answer:

A. Since Tim was in Katmai 8 years before anyone even knew who he was, why did poachers quake in their boots for fear of being caught by him?

B. Since Tim was in a secret location in ALASKA why did that not stop poaching in ALASKA?

C. Since 1989, more than 5,600 fly-fishermen visit the Park every year. That’s about 50 fishermen a day. Many of these guys seek out remote locations in Katmai. Many other people hike, kayak, camp, take pictures, etc. in the Park every day. Why was Timothy Treadwell so much more of a powerful deterrent to poaching than all the other visitors to the park? What special powers did he have?

D. Why does Jewel keep changing her story? First it was 6 bears . . . now it’s 5 bears. The fact is, by official reports there were only 3 bears poached in 2004. Then it was that Timothy never claimed to prevent all poaching in the park . . . just poaching in the Grizzly Maze. Now her story is that the poachers didn’t know where Timothy was so they avoided the entire Park. Then she adds that’s her “opinion”.

E. Why were there no bears poached in the Park in 2005. After all, Tim was dead as a door nail by 2003.

F. Why were there no bears poached in Katmai in 1986, 1987, and 1988? After all, Timmy the Fox Feeder was in Los Angeles in an alcohol-induced stupor much of that time.

You’re trying to push a rope, Carla. How senseless is that?

Another question for Carla:

Since Timmy the Fox Feeder claimed he discovered poacher camps in Katmai, that means poachers would have been operating in the area. Since he never caught any of those poachers, how effective was he in stopping poaching?

The answer is either Timmy the Fox Feeder was lying (which was certainly nothing out of character with him) or he was an incompetent who couldn’t stop poachers from poaching.

Which is it, Cara?

TKO,

Timmy the Fox Feeder was estranged from his family.

My wife and I raised 2 boys. We noticed that around the age of 12 or so, most boys become rebellious to some degree. It’s normal. By age 20 +/- they show signs of maturity.

Timmy the Fox Feeder remained immature all his life. He also remained rebellious. He often did what he wanted to do, rules be damned.

Perhaps that explains why he changed his name and claimed he was an orphan. And maybe, in a sense, he was.

All great points Buzz…maybe some of those facts and logic will sink into Carla and other Protread Supporters.

Thanks TKO, but I doubt they get it. For some folks it actually hurts to think.

Moonies are blind to their leaders faults and can’t be convinced that they are anything other than what they believe them to be.

Carla, you did a good job on your reply. It was well written and you got your point across. You just used the wrong source. We just want you to see all the things about him.

He thought himself special and rules were made for everyone but him. You saw where that got him.

You can also see that Jewel and GP aren’t very honest with you adoring fans of his.

In my opinion all they want is for you fans to send money so they can use it on what ever they want. No questions asked. No answers given.

“NOW I HAVE EVERYTHING”
and you people can’t stand it ….LOL
Grizzly People would like to thank all the supporters of the Timothy Treadwell Foundation…all proceeds will be used to protect and further the study of Brown Bears. It has been 3 long years since our beloved founder has passed, but his work has a lasting impression on all of the Grizzly People on this site and all over America. Our Foundation is moving forward, breaking new ground and leading the industry in Coastal Brown Bear study. Please continue to send your best monetary gift to us…..Help us make a differance in the Wild.

Thank You……

Jewel….President/Co-founder Grizzly People International

Yes, as we delve ever deeper into the secret world of the Grizzly to uncover the mysteries surrounding these gentle and peaceful giants, hopefully, we will gain a better understanding of our own species so we can finally live in harmony as brothers to these wonderful, wild creatures. And we get to hand feed foxes too.

Yes and the bears are just big party animals. How about we pick up 4 or 5 just out of hibernation and bring them to your place for a party Jewel? You can show the world how much you learned from your friend Dexter. Or better yet why don’t you grizzle people just go out to the maze and throw the party right there. I feel sure the bears will welcome you with open mouths.

This tripe about elevating the bear to that of the Dolphin and Whale just makes me angry. I’m not saying that bears are stupid they can be trained like a lion or tiger. But they can’t think and reason like a Dolphin or Whale. They don’t live in family groups with two parents and other family members sharing in the raising of the young. They don’t mate for life I just don’t see the importance of studying there behavior in so up close and personal a manner.

Not to say there isn’t important bear studies going on there are. The hibernation studies could help man in many ways. They should be protected but the best way to do that is by giving them enough land to live on with little to no interference from man.

Dark side calling now nothing is real.
Tim will never know just how I feel.
From out of the shadows he walks like a dream.
Makes me feel so angry makes me feel so mean.
Nothing can save you from a love that’s blind.
I slipped to the dark side and made him mine
On the dark side. OH yeah, I consumed him.

John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band.

Good one Downey! Now that tunes in my head.

Sorry, it just seem to fit so well in todays discussion.

TKO, Have you noticed how a grizzly’s arms resemble humans arms when they stand upright and swing their arms when fighting. Also that massive hump on their back! It makes them look scarier than other types of bears, dont you think?

And I read that hump is made of fat and muscle
and helps the grizzlies dig and use their paws to strike.

Im sure you already know these facts. I wonder, what is the most interesting thing about grizzly’s to you?

Downey, No need to appoligize… I liked it

Below is a quote from Carla (561)

On several occasions poachers threatened him, but during his time in Katmai, no grizzly was known to have been killed.

In August 2004, nearly a year after his death, five bears were poached in Katmai National Park. This proof is from the grizzly people page by Jewel Palovak. I rest my case.
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Carla,
First of all, there has been no recorded documentation that Treadwell(Dexter) was ever threatened by poachers. That is a fabrication that Dexter made up in order to con people for make believe bear protection money. Second of all, the bear carcasses they found after Dexter was killed, were just that, carcasses. Bears die all the time in the wild. Bears die of diseases, predation from other bears, starvation. There was NEVER any proof that someone had killed the bears. The Park service said that they had found a bear that had been killed by other bears. Any bear they had found dead was investigated and none were said to be victims of poaching. Again you’re spewing out fallacies that you can’t back up.
Even though you say you rest your case, all you’re doing is reciting words that came out of Dexter’s mouth. And your using material that Jewel Palovak had writen. She is considered a bias source. So again you have proven nothing. Try again Carla, because you still have NOT proven your case. At least not to me.

Well, Remmy, it might interest you to know I just started a 501c3 foundation called Armadillo People. It was my goal to raise the Armadillo to the sacred status of the American Bison, an amimal that has appeared on U.S. coins. The Armadillo should be accorded the same status on the reverse of the nickel.

Most people are unaware of the plight Armadillos face. In 1850 there were no Armadillos in America. Over the last 150 years they have extended their range as far north as Oklahoma and across the southern U.S. all the way to Georgia into South Carolina. However, suitable habitat is only available as far north as West Virgina.

The primary reason for this is Armadillos can only tolerate warmer tempatures. So, to extend their range all the way to Canada, we need more global warming. That’s where Armadillo People comes in.

All money donated to this worthy cause will go to purchase SUVs for our field research teams. This will allow us to travel to locations across the northern part of the U.S. studying the ecology and behavior of this truly magnificent creature. At the same time we will be promoting global warming. It will also allow us to provide polar fleece coats for Armadillos so they can better survive northern climates.

If this species is reach its full habitat potential, we need your help. The future of the Armadillo is in your hands. Send your tax free donation to Armadillo People today.

I promise you this . . . it will make feel good about yourself.

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Remmy, that’s how it works. People like to feel good about helping wildlife. Problem is Armadillos are butt ugly. Nobody gets the warm and fuzzies over those critters do they? Even if their range were contracting who the hell would care?

And that’s the problem with misguided wildlife enthusiasts. How many folks do you know from NYC who have the slightest clue what a Red Wolf is? I doubt there are 100 left in the world. Yet how many organizations out there are helping to reestablish the Red Wolf to its former range? Maybe a few, but not many.

There IS a program going on today to do just that. It’s run by wildlife biologists who care about that species. They quietly do the work necessary to accomplish the task with no help from the Timmy Fox Feeders of the world. Then, after they establish a population, the folks in NYC become aware of the program and start bitching about those uncaring wildlife professions who appear to be so unemotionally detached from the animals. Those guys never live life to the fullest. They never show any passion for their work like Timmy Fox Feeder did.

But real passion is putting up with 4 years of college while professors try to put something worthwhile in your head. Real passion is writing your masters thesis on the Red Wolf. Real passion is monitoring the animals you are trying to help for most of your life to ensure their continued survival. Real passion is getting it done.

Most of all real passion is obtaining understanding. That doesn’t come easy. It takes years of hard work and dedication. It’s being ignorantly critical that’s easy.

These days we live in a Dr. Feel Good world where ignoramuses think that good intentions are all that matter, that how demonstrative of your feelings you are is an accurate measure of your worth, and that compassion always trumps reason. Intent is everything . . . results are secondary.

The people that believe this think Timmy truly lived because he was passion about something. He finally found a reason to feel good about himself. He said he would die for those animals. Meanwhile, others live for the recovery of the Red Wolf.

I fail to see how dying for animals is anything other than an immature romantic notion. What the hell are those poor bears going to do now without the High Sheriff of Katmai protecting them?

Tim Dexter never understood Nature. He remained an ignoramus his entire life. Some of the most basic and fundamental principles of biological science were beyond his grasp. He didn’t even know those principles existed.

Tim was simply too emotional to be objective. So are his legions, however few that may be. In the end emotions have no place in science or in understanding. They seldom trump reason.

And using a little objectivity it’s easy to see that feeding that fox did absolutely nothing but make Tim feel good about himself. That’s why it was all about Tim, never about the animals.

In Carla’s case the logic train keeps jumping the tracks.

Buzz, Maybe Timothy didnt actually catch any poachers, but his mere presense kept them away.
Ive read that after Timothy’s death several bears were found killed by poachers.
What does it take to ‘proove’ this to you?
I dont see any actual proof of what you’ve said. It’s just different opinions. And like butt holes, everyones got one.

There is proof dear Carla, the Park Service has investigated and documented these facts.
Why don’t you start reading something usefull for a change instead of garbage from Jewel and Dexter.

There’s a lot of facts about Dexter and all the thinks he did wrong along with all the things he lied about. Not my opinion, just plain fact. There is a difference you know Carla. You just choose not to acknowledge facts. That’s your problem.
You seem to have this Disney like fantasy with Treadwell. It’s really sad.

Buzz, Remmy, TKO, Deb

Has Carla proven anything to you here?
In your case Carla, you seem to have two butt holes. The one you talk out of, and the one you poop out of.

Aunt Melissa, your tongue is as sharp as your claws. No Carla hasn’t proven anything to me.

Buzz, I understand what you are saying. Hard work and dedication will take you further than passion. At least where working with wild life is involved. One of my cousins helped to bring wild turkeys back to our part of the country. It took years but it worked now they are everywhere. The red wolf is much slower to bring back I know a little about that project.

The global warming does bother me I took my gas hog off the road two years ago. It just sits in the garage now run only enough to keep it in good working order.

Armadillo People huh, I think I see your point. All animals do deserve to be protected no matter what they look like or how smart they might.

Just look at what a come back the bald eagle and the osprey have made. Due to hard work and dedication by people that only a few know their names. I’m ashamed to say I don’t know who they were. But I get cold chills every time I see an eagle flying around my house. I was 20 years old before I saw my first one in the wild.

I guess that’s how the bears made Tim feel. But he wasn’t mature enough to know that he shouldn’t do what he did or maybe he just didn’t care about anything but himself in the end.

But getting killed by the animal you are protecting doesn’t make any sense no matter how you look at it. All he left were some pretty pictures that could have been taken from a safe place. What he had learned about the bears died with him because he didn’t know how to keep journals that could be used by others to learn from him.

Carla,

Timmy never claimed to keep all the poachers away from the entire park. In fact, he showed his so-called evidence that poachers were operating in the park.

Are you saying Tim was lying?

Carla,

You have to answer that question. That’s what called being objective.

Actually Carla he was sued by one of the local guides and the company he worked for because Timmy the fox feeder took his picture and told everyone that he was a poacher.

Poachers don’t camp they fly or boat in and take what they want and leave. The camp sites in the pictures were from other campers. He wasn’t out there all alone there were other people camping out there following the rules and only staying for short periods of time.

Timmy the fox feeder though of that part of the Katmai as his personal playground. He would spoil it for other people who came to film or watch the bears. He got in trouble with the park personal for that but they didn’t do anything much to him.

Buzz you are the biggest, huge poop for brains. YOu have it coming out of your ears, nose, eyes.
you should go visit grizzly maze and see how long you can last there. I bet not as long as Timothy Treadwell did. He knew what to do and how to handle bears. He was an expert and you are just jealous about that FACT.

i hope when you go to Grizzly maze, the bears poop on you first, then I hope you can look those bears in the eyes and say that they didn’t love Timmothy. He did great things for bears and you don’t want to face it.

Carla do you know how ridiculous that sounds. Those bears don’t even remember Dexter. He’s been gone from there life to long. Not that they ever loved him anyway.

Did you actually meet Dexter or see one of his presentations?

Well, there we have it. Can’t answer the question so Carla resorts to an Ad Hominem attack.

Carla, in science that’s called a logical fallacy.

However, I think what we have here is a prime example what Dexter really acomplished. Carla thinks those bears loved Timmy. She thinks wildlife is endeared to humans.

Thanks a lot Tim. Carla is your legacy.